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Old 11-04-2012, 07:35 PM   #1
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ok ...like seriously ...

This is not a complainer thread here .. but an observation.
Do you as consumers, do you not think, that RVs in general are not built substandard?.
I mean really ... the major issue here with all of us is water penetration. The secound issue is warrenty service.
Would you buy an automobile with an origional warrenty of one or two years? At 27 to 65 K plus?

I look at the problems ... and right now, i dont see any solutions.

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Old 11-04-2012, 07:55 PM   #2
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Certainly can't disagree although our new house was over three hundred thousand and it only had a seven year LIMITED warranty.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:07 AM   #3
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Certainly can't disagree although our new house was over three hundred thousand and it only had a seven year LIMITED warranty.
Dang wish I had that on our brand new house. Mine only came with a one year warranty. Except for the foundation which came a twenty year. But if something happen I am sure they would try their hardest make it be my problem.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:23 AM   #4
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There really is no standard(s) so substandard?
I did a huge amount of research b4 buying and I honestly feel that we got a very good deal considering the size, weight and features we got with our TT.
The manuf.'s only give what they have to.
Many products that are overbuilt and come with extensive warranties are expensive - far too expensive for the average consumer.
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:47 AM   #5
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Well, people buy on price and then turn around and complain about quality. You can't build something for 25% of MSRP and then be surprised if many units coming off the line are junk. You as a shopper have to be extremely careful what you buy, inspect it thoroughly before purchase, protect it from the elements, and not beat on it too badly. Even with all that, some luck comes into play.
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:22 AM   #6
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7 year home warranty? Damn. I also had 1 year. I think that's industry standard. Back to topic. Yes RV's do not seem to be built to a standard we are used to. There should be quality minimums as we see in the auto industry. I'd love to see the tag line with my Cedar Creek...."Quality is job #1"
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:40 AM   #7
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Some problems are hard to see. Screws are only attached to air under the roof membrane, fiberglass not adhered to plywood on outside walls causing delamination of walls after warranty is over. There are many items that you can not see and will cause problems after warranty. You can do everything in your power to keep your TT in good repair but if the unit is not made to standards then you are out of luck. You purchase the TT at the price point that you can afford. If you can only afford a $15k trailer you expect this to last more then 2 or 3 years before you have major structure problems. Part of the problem is the worker you are not paid a proper wage and don't take care in what they do. The only workers that do get a decent wage are the electricians.
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:56 AM   #8
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There really is no standard(s) so substandard?
I did a huge amount of research b4 buying and I honestly feel that we got a very good deal considering the size, weight and features we got with our TT.
The manuf.'s only give what they have to.

Many products that are overbuilt and come with extensive warranties are expensive - far too expensive for the average consumer.
Yep, RVIA is all there is. The Recreation Vehicle Industry Association: Standards
It is a "generally accepted" way of building campers.

As you can see there is always a conflict between "building to last" and weight. Heavier materials require fuel hog tow vehicles. The consumer demand for 1/2 ton towable has resulted in an industry wide search for weight reduction materials and construction techniques.

What you rail against as "sub-standard" is being weighed against how your house has been built. If you used house grade kitchen cabinets in your camper you would need a Peterbuilt to tow it.

Lightweight also applies to the wall structure and frames that are not what they used to be either. To keep weight down, frames are "skinnier" and many types are constructed out of welded up flat steel instead of one piece extrusions as in the past for that length camper. These frames have a lower designed service life than the old ones, but weigh much less.

"Ultra-lite" comes with a price that is not so obvious on the surface. I love my Ultra-lite Flagstaff, but I am under no illusion that it will last as long as the term of my loan. While I hope it will, but at some point routine maintenance will dictate heavy repairs to frame or structure or a trade up to a new one.
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:25 AM   #9
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RV's are built to exactly the level of quality we are willing to pay for. They could easily make the Stradivarius of campers, but it would cost you 100K. I paid 18 grand and change for mine. I'm ok with slightly flimsy construction for something I use basically a handfull of times a year.

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Old 11-05-2012, 09:31 AM   #10
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One issue I think is that most consumers look at their RV's as a 2nd home and expect them to perform to the same standard, forgetting all the shake, rattle, and roll they put their RVs thru every time they tow them. I catch flack for this but THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE can build an RV that will NEVER have one problem or another due to the ABUSE we users put them thru. That being said could the industry due a better job building them - YES.
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