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Old 04-11-2016, 12:25 PM   #51
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When traveling always fill up around 1/2 tank, We always try to fill up before we get to a camp site. Just on the chance we need to run the generator for any extended time . when not using the MH and it is parked the tank is always full. Usually always used at least every 2 weeks, 3 sometimes. LOL
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When traveling always fill up around 1/2 tank, We always try to fill up before we get to a camp site. Just on the chance we need to run the generator for any extended time . when not using the MH and it is parked the tank is always full. Usually always used at least every 2 weeks, 3 sometimes. LOL

Yea... Why not just fill the tank when you get to camp???

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Old 04-11-2016, 03:48 PM   #53
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Smile when you say that, partner.

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Hmmm modifying a gas tank is something most fabricators will run from. Most don't want to mess with dropping the tank, draining the fuel, filling the tank with a fluid to absorb the fumes, drain it, and then start working. The labor just to get ready to do the work could cost more than a new tank. Hey, it's a chance to increase the tank size beyond the legally restricted 50 gallons and set the generators siphon to the level you desire. Personally the jerry can would be a cheaper alternative in my opinion. There are things on my rig I would like to change and I'm not crazy about the build quality of the cabinets but weight is the big enemy there. Either I could fabricate some aluminum cabinets to keep the weight down and fight the squeaks and rattles going down the road, or pay a cabinet builder to swap in some high grade cabinets and kill my CCC. The reality is that the cabinets that are in the rig are probably the best balance between weight, comfort and durability for a C. If you throw cost into the equation then there probably isn't a better solution out there. Yes there are quality issues in these rigs, it's a never ending battle. If an RV manufacturer produced on the volume of an automobile manufacturer and could afford that level of automation automakers spent years developing then they could avoid those days when a man on the line has a bad day etc. etc. etc. The best they can do is put the rig through the QC grinder and send anything back that fails to pass muster. That's a double edged sword there too. The QC folks are told they should send a unit back but, intentional or otherwise, they are also under pressure to get the rig out the door and keep the line moving. Which pressure do you bow to? With orders backing up the pressure to keep things rolling ratchets up. The next step would be the dealer. So the QC guy didn't miss the roof seam because someone didn't walk around and bounce on the roof and then do the water test? They missed the mis-shot screws, this is what happened to my rig btw, then maybe the dealer could have caught it but the reality there was that dealers don't climb the ladder and bounce on the roof. So why the ramble? Even the most well meaning manufacturer and dealer can't always catch everything and even major issues will get through thanks to the "off day / new guy" affect. I am not defending missing screws, loose plumbing etc. the QC process should catch those issues but the perceived quality of these rigs when reading these forums should be taken with a grain of salt. Yes there are issues, yes every manufacturer has them, no there is not an excuse, but if you think that these forum posts are representative of the entire ownership experience for all Forest River owners then I believe you would be sorely mistaken. You hear from the unhappy folks but rarely from the happy ones. You often hear negative responses from folks learning the hobby or from folks that didn't read the manuals as well but please don't push that off on the manufacturer. When you buy a house you expect to have maintenance and an RV is the same way. If you don't want to do the work then either rent or don't bother. I am hopeful that manufacturers will continue to improve their quality control but as more gadgets get added the QC bar will move higher as issues become known. It's a never ending process and one that this forum can help drive if we choose to do so.

There you go. Summed up all the standard defense posts folks have been predicting...
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The times they are changing ...

My. point is simply this. The times are changing. Maybe 20 years ago 1/4 tank made sense. But doubt it today.

20 years ago, 1/4 tank would be 8 gallons because weren't gas tanks on RVs smaller -- and in general weren't RVs smaller? And RVs got about 5 - 8 mpg. So the spare you were given 20 years ago was maybe 60 miles.

Today with bigger gas tanks and better engines, what you need to get 60 miles (which was fine in those days). You sure don't need 1/4 tank. I don't. An 1/8 of tank is plenty and then some at 10 - 11 mpg. And 1/4 tank is about 12 gallons and that still leaves me about 8 gallon reserve.
An 1/8 is 6 gallons + 8 gallon reserve.

That's 14 gallons (even at 1/8) gets me 140 miles. So if 60 miles was good enough 20 years ago, isn't 140 miles at 1/8 gallon more than good enough today?

Think the principal behind something not that this how it's always been done. The latter is called NIH - not invented here.

If you haven't read an earlier thread where I responded to this, I gave an example:

Little girl goes to her mom and says "mom, why do we cut off the turkey legs before we bake it?"

"I don't know, sweetheart. That's the way grandma did it. Let's ask grandma."

"Grandma, why do we cut the legs of the turkey before we bake it."

"I don't know," says the grandmother. Great grandma always did it that way. Let's call and ask Great grandma."

"Great grandma, we're call to find out why we always cut off the legs off the turkey before we bake it".

Great grandma "because the pot wasn't big enough so I cut off the legs to make it fit".

So don't just say lets cut off the legs. There is a reason behind things. The reason behind 1/4 tank 20 years ago was 60 mile spare. And 1/8 tank gets me 140 miles. Why do I need to "keep cutting off the legs off the turkey to bake it"? I know better. I just need 1/8 of tank.

The bottom line is that RV manufactures and many RVers have just accepted the status quo. And the status quo is out-of-date. The people of days-of-old were trying to solver problems. They thought about it and came up with solutions.

We don't even want to think about the problem, let alone come up with a solution. We just want to do what was done 20 years ago, because that's the way it's always been done. LAZY MINDEDNESS in my book.

By the way, DOT only requires a 30 mile reserve. That means if I want to remain DOT compliant for "safety" and getting to "civilization" all I would need is the 6 - 8 gallons in my reserve tank. Also, if safety is such a concern why not just put a buzzer in so that when you get to 1/4 tank the buzzer goes off. But it let's you use to your hearts delight.

I don't want a machine doing my thinking for me. I want the machine to report to me. I'll decide what makes sense in the situation not the machine. I'm smarter that it is by a long-shot.

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Yea... Why not just fill the tank when you get to camp???

If the dip tube went to the bottom, then you would be crying, that the generator ran you out of fuel!
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My. point is simply this. The times are changing. Maybe 20 years ago 1/4 tank made sense. But doubt it today.

20 years ago, 1/4 tank would be 8 gallons because weren't gas tanks on RVs smaller -- and in general weren't RVs smaller? And RVs got about 5 - 8 mpg. So the spare you were given 20 years ago was maybe 60 miles.

Today with bigger gas tanks and better engines, what you need to get 60 miles (which was fine in those days). You sure don't need 1/4 tank. I don't. An 1/8 of tank is plenty and then some at 10 - 11 mpg. And 1/4 tank is about 12 gallons and that still leaves me about 8 gallon reserve.
An 1/8 is 6 gallons + 8 gallon reserve.

That's 14 gallons (even at 1/8) gets me 140 miles. So if 60 miles was good enough 20 years ago, isn't 140 miles at 1/8 gallon more than good enough today?

Think the principal behind something not that this how it's always been done. The latter is called NIH - not invented here.

If you haven't read an earlier thread where I responded to this, I gave an example:

Little girl goes to her mom and says "mom, why do we cut off the turkey legs before we bake it?"

"I don't know, sweetheart. That's the way grandma did it. Let's ask grandma."

"Grandma, why do we cut the legs of the turkey before we bake it."

"I don't know," says the grandmother. Great grandma always did it that way. Let's call and ask Great grandma."

"Great grandma, we're call to find out why we always cut off the legs off the turkey before we bake it".

Great grandma "because the pot wasn't big enough so I cut off the legs to make it fit".

So don't just say lets cut off the legs. There is a reason behind things. The reason behind 1/4 tank 20 years ago was 60 mile spare. And 1/8 tank gets me 140 miles. Why do I need to "keep cutting off the legs off the turkey to bake it"? I know better. I just need 1/8 of tank.

The bottom line is that RV manufactures and many RVers have just accepted the status quo. And the status quo is out-of-date. The people of days-of-old were trying to solver problems. They thought about it and came up with solutions.

We don't even want to think about the problem, let alone come up with a solution. We just want to do what was done 20 years ago, because that's the way it's always been done. LAZY MINDEDNESS in my book.

By the way, DOT only requires a 30 mile reserve. That means if I want to remain DOT compliant for "safety" and getting to "civilization" all I would need is the 6 - 8 gallons in my reserve tank. Also, if safety is such a concern why not just put a buzzer in so that when you get to 1/4 tank the buzzer goes off. But it let's you use to your hearts delight.

I don't want a machine doing my thinking for me. I want the machine to report to me. I'll decide what makes sense in the situation not the machine. I'm smarter that it is by a long-shot.

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You sound a lot like a troll on another thread last week just posing questions for the sake of personal entertainment. Many have provided reasonable responses to your questions.

This is actually your problem as you raised it. I would suggest you contact the manufacturer who can direct you to the chassis supplier. Your answer might be there rather than here... Possibly.

Or simply put gas in the tank.
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Old 04-11-2016, 04:44 PM   #56
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This has become a circle argument, and it's time to stop the merry go around for forum harmony's sake. There have been valid points made and countered. There is nothing else that our membership can do to alleviate the fuel reserve requirement. These are things that will need to be taken up with the generator manufacturers and the RV industry, along with the rules they must adhere to according to RVIA codes.

Let's spend our energies in helping others whose problems we are potentially in a position to solve.
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