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12-06-2015, 09:25 AM
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It cannot be stressed enough how thorough you have to be before you buy a new camper. I purchased a 2015 puma 295bhss, and absolutely love it. Everything worked out. Now my brother came out over the summer for a weekend and loved it. Two weeks later he began his search for one. I helped him come up with a list of things the new camper should have. He was also limited by weight, and needed a bunkhouse being he has 4 small kids.
He searched all over the internet, and then went to the Hershey RV show. Great show and found a camper he liked. He ordered a 2016 vibe 308bhs. It's a beautiful TT. We go to pick it up last week and do the PDI. We find out that it has a residential fridge. Never would I have thought that we had to make sure it had a LP/electric fridge. Plus the actual dealer was from troy, NY. He picked it up from the Camping World by Hershey. Even though the guy was nice, he did not know much about this model. We were told each camping world has there own regional brands and they don't see alot of vibes go through there.
So the problem is that 90% of the time we dry camp on the beach. Having a fridge that only works on shore power or battery isn't going to work. We can run a generator from 9-1 and 5-9. But that still isn't going to work.
I told him to email Forest River and the dealer and see if they can work with him. We still are not sure if the residential fridge is standard equipment or an unwanted upgrade. Anyone use a residential fridge and dry camp?
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12-06-2015, 09:31 AM
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That would really suck if it happened to me. I guess, these days, this is one of the things you have to find out about first. It seems more and more RVs are going with residential refrigerators. I would never want one.
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12-06-2015, 11:07 AM
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I would rather have two gas/ electric ones side by side if I needed more refrigerator space. I have seen that set up in travel trailers
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12-06-2015, 11:35 AM
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You might be able to go solar to keep bats up to run the fridge. Need to know how much draw and size/ storage cap. of bats to come up with how many/ out[it of panels.
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12-06-2015, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by A32Deuce
You might be able to go solar to keep bats up to run the fridge. Need to know how much draw and size/ storage cap. of bats to come up with how many/ out[it of panels.
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He did mention looking into solar. He's trying to find a good solution to make this work. What we do is load up camper and fridge on tuesday. Wednesday pull camper onto the beach and setup. Then come back on Friday and stay for the weekend. They have a 4 night minimum, so we pay for 2 nights we don't use. Still well worth it. So the problem would be fridge running for about 48 hours off batteries unattened. We're going to look into AH of the 2 batteries, and the draw of the fridge. I know the camping world guy said it's wired to a factory installed inverter, but we don't know what the draw is. Have to research it a little. LP fridge would have been great. I'm hoping he didn't get charged for this upgrade he didn't want. I think the problem is when he said he liked the camper the salesman wrote it up exactly the way the one at the show was and didn't go over all the possible options. It's kind of a 2 sided mistake.
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12-06-2015, 01:49 PM
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Could hook up jumper cables to charge the battery and run a car or truck to help charge the battery till he gets a solution.
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12-06-2015, 01:54 PM
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When we were at FROG rally in Goshen I asked about the residential refrigerators being so common. I was told more and more of the 50amp rigs will come with them as standard. The propane/electric would be an option at a cost of up to $2000 (depending on size). I didn't like the need for a bank of batteries and their weight!
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12-06-2015, 02:33 PM
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The residential Whirlpool 10.7 cu ft. is an option. Dometic is standard. FYI...inverter is 1000 watts so Max amp draw is not more than 8 amps when the compressor is on. Of course it is likely on 1/4 to 1/2 the time depending on outside temps and amount of door opening.
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BTW...a kill o watt meter can be more precise about what the fridge actually draws in watts (/by 120 to get amps) http://www.amazon.com/P3-P4400-Elect.../dp/B00009MDBU
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12-06-2015, 02:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by camaraderie
The residential Whirlpool 10.7 cu ft. is an option. Dometic is standard. FYI...inverter is 1000 watts so Max amp draw is not more than 8 amps when the compressor is on. Of course it is likely on 1/4 to 1/2 the time depending on outside temps and amount of door opening.
Vibe Travel Trailers by Forest River RV
BTW...a kill o watt meter can be more precise about what the fridge actually draws in watts (/by 120 to get amps) http://www.amazon.com/P3-P4400-Elect.../dp/B00009MDBU
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Thank you.That's the brochure I was looking for. So it was an upgrade. He just didn't catch it. It does seem possible to keep fridge running for 2 days straight before charging batteries. I thought the fridge would draw alot more. He will have to figure out the parasitic draw added to the fridge draw. Possibly swap out the 2 12 volt batteries for 4 6 volt.
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12-06-2015, 03:34 PM
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Yah...some tough choices but unless he can get a straight up swap out...I'm thinking upgrading the battery & charging system is what will be needed and that will be a lot cheaper than paying for a swap out.
Just back of the envelope without any hard numbers... but lets say that the fridge uses 7 amps & runs 12 hours a day...that is 84 amp hours a day 168 for the two days away.
Parasitic loads will be minor over that time so 2 pair of 6V's will give you 210 usable amp hours before needing a recharge. So that will work. Next thing will be to get them recharged with as little generator time as possible...which means a charger close to 80 amps. (20% of 400 amp hours). This would let you get back to 80% charged in roughly 2 hours...4 hours would be better. Then you can just monitor daily use of the fridge and your other 12V loads and recharge as needed.
Strongly suggest a Victron or Trimetric battery monitor instead of the watt meter so you can do all this without murdering the new batts. I'm guesssing around $7-800 bucks to make it boondock ready assuming the generator can handle the charging chores & house loads. I think a nice solar panel would be a great way to top up the batts to a full 100% after the weekend. Good luck
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12-06-2015, 04:24 PM
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"Anyone use a residential fridge and dry camp?"
Yes, my 2015 Dynamax DX3-37RB is equipped with a 23 cubic foot, three door residential refrigerator. Said coach is a 39'3" "Super C Class" diesel puller that was equipped with two 12VDC house batteries. The dealer I bought it from lied and told me I should get about two days running said fridge on the batteries (via the 1800 watt inverter). I found I was lucky to see 12 HOURS before the batteries were depleted (and the instrumentation Dynamax included does NOT allow you to see how many amps you're drawing at any given moment). Last year, the Dynamax factory recommended Charger Enterprises (right across the street from the Dynamax factory) for warranty and upgrade work (where my enclosed car trailer was STOLEN). I had the two 12VDC house batteries removed and added SIX, 6VDC batteries (in a series / parallel configuration). I could then get two days without being hooked up to shore power (or need to run the onboard 8KW diesel generator or run the 350HP Cummins diesel engine). With the residential refrigerator, I could NOT find proper instructions for winterizing the residential appliances (the fridge has two ice makers and water on the door). Dynamax reps told me instructions were "on the Forest River website" but, all I could find were instructions for "standard" RV fridges. This season, I started having having trouble with the batteries NOT being charged by shore power OR the 8KW generator (they DO charge when I run the Cummins diesel engine). I've been back to the factory twice, had other issues repaired at the FROG Rally this past August but still, can NOT get GOOD answers to the many problems I've experienced. Everyone I've spoken with at Dynamax is friendly. What I need is COMPETENCE. Sadly, that seems to be in VERY short supply. So, the short answer to your question is that a residential refrigerator in the configuration as it leaves the factory, is NOT well suited for boondock camping. If you can add substantial energy storage (ie;more batteries), it can be made to work though.
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12-06-2015, 04:27 PM
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Slap a few solar panels on your roof.
That would help a lot.
You already have the storage ( batteries)
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12-06-2015, 04:51 PM
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Well, at 84 ah a day you'd need 3oo+ watts of panels on the roof and the SUN to keep up with just the fridge more if you want to run your other stuff...panels are a part time solution that may or may not fit and would still require the batts we discussed & and an alternate charging system for cloudy/shady/rainy days . The batteries existing are totally inadequate for such use.
a complete solar system is nice but with the big amp use, a 24x7 reliable system comes first IMO.
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12-06-2015, 04:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by camaraderie
Well, at 84 ah a day you'd need 3oo+ watts of panels on the roof and the SUN to keep up with just the fridge more if you want to run your other stuff...panels are a part time solution that may or may not fit and would still require the batts we discussed & and an alternate charging system for cloudy/shady/rainy days . The batteries existing are totally inadequate for such use.
a complete solar system is nice but with the big amp use, a 24x7 reliable system comes first IMO.
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My comment was more at the dx3 guy.
With the 6, 6volts.
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12-06-2015, 05:08 PM
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ahh...my bad KK.
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12-06-2015, 05:13 PM
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We have four 6 volt batteries and they will get down to about 50% in 8 hours. There's no way we would get two days out of them.
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12-06-2015, 05:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by abomb
It cannot be stressed enough how thorough you have to be before you buy a new camper. I purchased a 2015 puma 295bhss, and absolutely love it. Everything worked out. Now my brother came out over the summer for a weekend and loved it. Two weeks later he began his search for one. I helped him come up with a list of things the new camper should have. He was also limited by weight, and needed a bunkhouse being he has 4 small kids.
He searched all over the internet, and then went to the Hershey RV show. Great show and found a camper he liked. He ordered a 2016 vibe 308bhs. It's a beautiful TT. We go to pick it up last week and do the PDI. We find out that it has a residential fridge. Never would I have thought that we had to make sure it had a LP/electric fridge. Plus the actual dealer was from troy, NY. He picked it up from the Camping World by Hershey. Even though the guy was nice, he did not know much about this model. We were told each camping world has there own regional brands and they don't see alot of vibes go through there.
So the problem is that 90% of the time we dry camp on the beach. Having a fridge that only works on shore power or battery isn't going to work. We can run a generator from 9-1 and 5-9. But that still isn't going to work.
I told him to email Forest River and the dealer and see if they can work with him. We still are not sure if the residential fridge is standard equipment or an unwanted upgrade. Anyone use a residential fridge and dry camp?
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What did his original paperwork say what it came with fridge. Did the one he saw at show have residential or domatic? I would have not taken delivery and made the selling dealer make it right and give you what you wanted. Just my opinion. I was not there so maybe not an option.
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12-06-2015, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by camaraderie
Well, at 84 ah a day you'd need 3oo+ watts of panels on the roof and the SUN to keep up with just the fridge more if you want to run your other stuff..
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X2. Dry camping and residential fridges are not compatible. You could jump through exotic hoops to make it work,but realistically it's not going to be acceptable.
FYI I have 4 Trojan GC-2s, 480 watts of solar, and live in Arizona, with a Dometic electric/propane fridge, and I can just barely get by with that on electric. I only want to run the batteries down to 60% for reference.
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12-06-2015, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by rzrnaz
X2. Dry camping and residential fridges are not compatible. You could jump through exotic hoops to make it work,but realistically it's not going to be acceptable.
FYI I have 4 Trojan GC-2s, 480 watts of solar, and live in Arizona, with a Dometic electric/propane fridge, and I can just barely get by with that on electric. I only want to run the batteries down to 60% for reference.
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You have the solar, wouldn't going to lithium batteries really help?
Right now, you can even use half of your ah.
Lithium can be taken down to 80% without and harm.
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12-06-2015, 05:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rzrnaz
X2. Dry camping and residential fridges are not compatible. You could jump through exotic hoops to make it work,but realistically it's not going to be acceptable.
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x3!
Since we primarily dry camp, we would never buy a RV with a residential fridge.
Too limiting and complicated.
Huge battery bank, large inverter, possible solar system required.
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