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Old 04-20-2015, 01:47 PM   #31
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Hmmmm. I dunno. I think I'd take a late 60's Mustang over a Datsun any day.
I love the 60's Mustangs! My first car, when I was in High School, was a 2-year old Mustang II which I found at a dealership. (In 1979) The piece-of-crap broke down on the drive home from the dealership. (I later learned that the Mustang II was just a Pinto (4 cylinder) rebadged.

I'm a Toyota guy now...doubt I'll ever buy a GMC or Ford or Chevy unless we get a ginormous RV the Tundra can't handle. (But, then again, they just came out with a new turbo for my truck so hmmmmm....)
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Old 04-20-2015, 02:18 PM   #32
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ColoradoRick, your video just reinforces what I said that FR just has large buildings where assembly is performed. Nothing is automated or is even close to being a production assembly line.
Correct OC.

When we toured the Rockwood Factory last year at the FROG Rally in Goshen they were assembling the TT Rockwoods (They flip-flop between 5ers & TT.)

They start with a bare frame on a track that goes to various stations where the unit is gradually assembled. At the very end, before the trailer is pulled out, a pair of women go through each unit and inspect the electric system, pressurize the plumbing, and check the interior and exterior fit and finish. They find errors - at least on the unit we observed - and use a post-it like sticky to explain/highlight the flaw.

NOW, having said that consider what happens next: *EVERY* tow behind sold by FR is picked up by a independent RV delivery service and towed to RV dealerships. Guess what, they get paid by the unit so do you REALLY think they are cruising down the interstate at a sedate 60MPH?

SO...after getting bumped and drug over pothole infested roads the RV arrives at the dealer. What WAS working when the unit left FR may well not be working now.

WHICH is why your Pre-Delivery Inspection (PDI) should cover every single minute aspect of your RV!

Finally (and I DO NOT mean to start any sort of 'class' war here but it Is what it is) Having been to several of the RV factories, I am convinced that the assembly, attention to detail, fit and finish of, say a Cardinal or Cedar Creek is, shall we say, held to a higher standard than say our Rockwood or a Surveyor.
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Old 04-20-2015, 02:26 PM   #33
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Why is it, after we save our money, research and discuss for quite awhile all the RV's, we still have to "repair" and fix up before even the 1st trip? Maybe its tires or vacuum sawdust or whatever. Usually its not like this with a new truck or car, why rv's?
Cause it's all about the money and saving time. Pride in your work, it's missing everywhere and it's a shame.
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Old 04-20-2015, 07:31 PM   #34
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True I agree that extra time could be spent to tidy up things. Sawdust and wiring and such.

I bit&$ed a lot joining the forum about my peeves. Now looking at the XLR or bunkhouse. Willing to buy new so I do nothing to enforce the quality. I think I have improved my camper a lot.

This is just reality. When you hook up to your camper you are putting it just below tornado speed or in it. Just consider you get drug thru the hopeful 250 to 300 miles a day at straight line winds.

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Old 04-20-2015, 08:28 PM   #35
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I watched a video on YouTube earlier where Jayco documented the build of a trailer. From start to finish, it takes just 6 hours. The guys were working very quickly. I would love for them to take just a few minutes longer to get things right. But they don't so as long as the problems aren't serious I can live with it.
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Old 04-20-2015, 08:57 PM   #36
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Hmmmm. I dunno. I think I'd take a late 60's Mustang over a Datsun any day.
I Love my 66 Mustang (owned several over the years kept the yellow one ) but not as a daily driver I would much prefer the 86 SVO or my 2010 Mustang that I just picked up to drive daily (I have a 50 mile commute each way)............


I am probably the out cast here but we bought our new then 2013 Puma from our Mega dealer (4 employees) Packed it up took it camping. No need to clean, everything worked / except me I needed lessons on the sound system remote. Need to install a teenager to figure it out. Not been back to the dealer for build issues other than a couple of very minor cosmetic things in the three years that we have owned it. Very happy the quality has been great.

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Different Assembly methods

And here is a Cedar Creek video outlining their construction process:

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