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Old 11-07-2011, 10:02 AM   #181
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it kills me when people talk about the old days. they do not realize that the population of the earth has doubled since then. it was 3 billion in 1960 is now at 7 billion and may reach 10.5 billion by 2050 and the things they did 50 years ago are not acceptable now because of this increase. the earth is going to hell in a handbasket if all of us 7 billion do not change our ways.
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it kills me when people talk about the old days. they do not realize that the population of the earth has doubled since then. it was 3 billion in 1960 is now at 7 billion and may reach 10.5 billion by 2050 and the things they did 50 years ago are not acceptable now because of this increase. the earth is going to hell in a handbasket if all of us 7 billion do not change our ways.
been trying, for years to figure out what "going to hell in a handbasket" REALLY means? And what if we DON'T have a "handbasket," then what???
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If you use your outside factory installed shower, where do you think the (Gray) water from its use goes? All who have said they (never) dump gray at the campsite please tell me how you catch & dump the outside shower gray water! Youroo!!
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Old 11-07-2011, 02:34 PM   #184
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It kills ME when people hide behind the guise of environmental responsibility all the while pointing fingers at the world... while they drive their large towing pickup with a camp trailer tagging along. LOLOLOLOL

You're on a camper forum complaining about environmental responsibility? What about the ump-teen (not a real number) amount of resources used up in the creation of your large truck and trailer, let alone the larger batteries (more lead), tires for the trailer, etc etc etc. Come on, nobody on this forum can have that apocalyptic view of our environment and still buy Recreational Vehicles towed behind trucks. If we TRULY believed that, we'd be living in a straw bale 300 square foot house in the hills while drinking our urine and sewing winter slippers for spotted owl and eating acorns.

Let's stay on track here.
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Back to an older post --what about the tent campers dumping dishpan full of dishwater and using outside shower and peeing outside tent at night????? Give me a break the ground absorbs it and with the dry summers we've had it's probably a good thing!!!
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been trying, for years to figure out what "going to hell in a handbasket" REALLY means? And what if we DON'T have a "handbasket," then what???


To be 'going to hell in a handbasket' is to be rapidly deteriorating - on course for disaster.
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It isn't at all obvious why 'handbasket' was chosen as the preferred vehicle to convey people to hell. One theory on the origin of the phrase is that derives from the use of handbaskets in the guillotining method of capital punishment. If Hollywood films are to be believed, the decapitated heads were caught in baskets - the casualty presumably going straight to hell, without passing Go.
The first version of 'in a handbasket' in print does in fact relate to an imaginary decapitated head. In Samuel Sewall's Diary, 1714, we find:
"A committee brought in something about Piscataqua. Govr said he would give his head in a Handbasket as soon as he would pass it."
Sewall was born in England but emigrated to America when he was nine, and this citation reinforces the widely held opinion that the phrase is of US origin. That is almost certainly the case and, even now, 'hell in a handbasket' isn't often used outside the USA. The expression probably had English parentage though. The English preacher Thomas Adams referred to 'going to heaven in a wheelbarrow' in Gods Bounty on Proverbs, 1618:
Oh, this oppressor [i.e. one who was wealthy but gave little to the church] must needs go to heaven! What shall hinder him? But it will be, as the byword is, in a wheelbarrow: the fiends, and not the angels, will take hold on him.
'Going to heaven in a wheelbarrow' was a euphemistic way of saying 'going to hell'. The notion of sinners being literally wheeled to hell in barrows or carts is certainly very old. The mediaeval stained glass windows of Fairford Church in Gloucestershire contain an image of a woman being carried off to purgatory in a wheelbarrow pushed by a blue devil.
The thought behind the phrase is 17th century, but the precise wording 'going to hell in a handbasket' and its alternative form 'going to hell in a handcart' originated in the US around the middle of the 19th century. The 'handbasket' version is now the more common.
'Going to hell in a handbasket' seems to be just a colourful version of 'going to hell', in the same sense as 'going to the dogs'. 'In a handbasket' is an alliterative intensifier which gives the expression a catchy ring. There doesn't appear to be any particular significance to 'handbasket' apart from the alliteration - any other conveyance beginning with 'H' would have done just as well. The similar earlier phrases 'hell in a basket' and 'hell in a wheelbarrow', not having the same catchiness, have now disappeared from common use. Let's launch 'going to hell in a hovercraft' and see if that flies, so to speak.
The first example of 'hell in a hand basket' that I have found in print comes in I. Winslow Ayer's account of events of the American Civil War The Great North-Western Conspiracy, 1865. A very similar but slightly fuller report of Morris's comments was printed in the House Documents of the U.S. Congress, in 1867:
Speaking of men who had been arrested he [Judge Morris] said, "Some of our very best, and thousands of brave men, at this very moment in Camp Douglas, are our friends; who, if they were once at liberty, would send the abolitionists to hell in a hand-basket."
'Hell in a handcart' is found in print before 'hell in a handbasket'. The earliest citation I can find for that is in Elbridge Paige's book of Short Patent Sermons, 1841:


any questions ? lol !
[Those people] who would rather ride to hell in a hand-cart than walk to heaven supported by the staff of industry.
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16 YEARS OF MILITARY SERVICE AND WE HAD TO BAG OUR s*^& and everything else in the training areas to carry it out for disposal.

But animals in the forest... well thats a different matter. Riiight - sure it is?
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