Yellow sticker missing info...

[ryand]

Hi all-

Went to our local RV show this weekend and while helping a friend look for something that he might be able to tow I noticed something different...the yellow sticker typically found street side towards the front of the units on some trailers were missing the dry weight of the RV's. Same for the yellow sticker typically found on the doors. It listed cargo carrying capacity but nothing else. Am I loosing my mind or is this something new?


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[Tireman9]

Not aware of a change, but in reality the CCC is much more informative than dry weight. Assuming you could also get the GVWR from literature and GVWR was on the sticker.

[ryand]

Is then the yellow sticker the same as the published info? My sticker and sales brochure differ by nearly 400lbs


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[Tireman9]

Sticker would be final answer as in theory it is fufilling the legal requirements.
If sales literature was different than what the product said I would consider than almost "Bait & Switch"

[Oaklevel]

Not aware of a change either but some will disagree but..... All dry weight does is give you a false sense of what you can tow....... Why do I want to know if I can tow an empty trailer with no propane, battery, gear etc????? I want to know if I can pull the trailer loaded ......... which WILL be much closer to gross weight.

[Oaklevel]

In most cases the brochure shows dry weight with no options just the basic trailer. The yellow sticker is actual empty weight with options..... In my case yellow sticker is 9600 lbs brochure is 9200 lbs give or take a few.

[CWSWine]

Originally Posted by Tireman9

Sticker would be final answer as in theory it is fufilling the legal requirements.
If sales literature was different than what the product said I would consider than almost "Bait & Switch"

I don't think you ever get those to match up. The literature weight is average of base configuration and the weight on the yellow sticker is the scale weight of that RV with all the options installed minus some basic items. Same way with cargo capacity of trucks - It would hard to find literature/website cargo capacity weight to match your yellow sticker on your truck - found that out the hard way.

[Gyrogearloose]

The sticker on the door of my 2015 Rockwood 2604WS shows dry weight and cargo capacity. I take the sum of these to get GVWR.

I also found out the hard way about cargo capacity. I bought a 2015 Tundra based on the dealer's words that it had a 1525lb payload capacity, just barely enough for my trailer including load and truck occupants. When I weighed the truck and subtracted from GVWR, I found it only had a ~1300lb payload. The dealer had told me the number in the sales literature. The number I had asked for was for my specific truck. My tow vehicle now is a 2015 F-150 and has a 1723lb payload.

[ryand]

Agree with all others above....however trying to find out what a unit weighs upon first inspection at a rv show this info is helpful. Only giving the cargo capacity doesn't help much to quickly dismiss units that are too heavy. Perhaps it's by design so that you need to engage a sales person. Possibly huge conspiracy!!! Now that I am thinking about it i should have snapped a photo.


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[ryand]

Just so I am correct....I understood that the yellow sticker is what the unit as it weighs (less propane and possibly battery) as it leaves the factory. Essentially the actual weight. The published dry weight typical doesn't include any option like various bunk configurations, AC even mandatory options. Am I wrong about the yellow sticker?


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[aceinspp]

Originally Posted by ryand

Just so I am correct....I understood that the yellow sticker is what the unit as it weighs (less propane and possibly battery) as it leaves the factory. Essentially the actual weight. The published dry weight typical doesn't include any option like various bunk configurations, AC even mandatory options. Am I wrong about the yellow sticker?


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Yes you are correct. Every unit that leaves the factory varies in weight. Brochures mean nothing as they are just guesstimates. Later RJD

[Gyrogearloose]

I believe the catalog dry weight will turn out to be a base model with no options.

The dry weight of a specific trailer is what shows up on the trailer sticker. This presumably is a result of weighing that trailer as it leaves the production line. It therefore includes all options on that trailer.

Dry weight does not include propane and tanks, batteries, or water.
In my case propane adds 110lbs (two 30lb tanks that weigh 55lbs each).
Also in my case, two vented batteries add another 25lbs each.
And in my case 36 gallons of water weighs about 300lbs.

So right out of the gate, my trailer with water has an additional 460lbs added to the dry weight. This reduces my residual cargo capacity from roughly 1600 lbs on my sticker to more like 1140 lbs, which is still plenty.

You've got to also watch the tongue weight. The dry tongue weight of my trailer is a little more than 700 lbs, but the 110lbs of propane and 50 lbs of batteries increase it to more like 860lbs. Fill the water tank and (for my trailer) about half of the added weight is on the hitch, so add another 150lbs. And my Equalizer hitch weighs about 100lbs total. So my tongue weight is roughly 1110 lbs. Put two people, a little paraphernalia, and a dog in my truck and the total load on the truck comes to close to 1500 lbs. Then I look at the door jamb of my truck for the rating for cargo + passengers. It should be larger than 1500 lbs. In my case it's 1723lbs, so I'm ok.

[CWSWine]

Originally Posted by ryand

Just so I am correct....I understood that the yellow sticker is what the unit as it weighs (less propane and possibly battery) as it leaves the factory. Essentially the actual weight. The published dry weight typical doesn't include any option like various bunk configurations, AC even mandatory options. Am I wrong about the yellow sticker?


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I don't think there is a standard of whats including in the factory weight. Here is what Primetime says:

GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) - is the maximum permissible weight of the unit when fully loaded. It includes all weights, inclusive of all fluids, cargo, optional equipment and accessories. For safety and product performance do NOT exceed the GVWR.
GAWR (Gross Axle Weight Rating) - is the maximum permissible weight, including cargo, fluids, optional equipment and accessories that can be safely supported by a combination of all axles.
UVW (Unloaded Vehicle Weight) * - is the typical weight of the unit as manufactured at the factory. It includes all weight at the unit’s axle(s) and tongue or pin and LP Gas. The UVW does not include cargo, fresh potable water, additional optional equipment or dealer installed accessories.
*Estimated Average based on standard build optional equipment
CCC (Cargo Carrying Capacity)** - is the amount of weight available for fresh potable water, cargo, additional optional equipment and accessories. CCC is equal to GVWR minus UVW. Available CCC should accommodate fresh potable water (8.3 lbs per gallon). Before filling the fresh water tank, empty the black and gray tanks to provide for more cargo capacity.
**Estimated Average based on standard build optional equipment
Each Prime Time Manufacturing RV is weighed at the manufacturing facility prior to shipping. A label identifying the unloaded vehicle weight of the actual unit and the cargo carrying capacity is applied to every Prime Time Manufacturing RV prior to leaving our facilities.
The load capacity of your unit is designated by weight, not by volume, so you cannot necessarily use all available space when loading your unit.
Floor plans and specifications are based on the latest product information. Prime Time Manufacturing reserves the right to make changes in drawings and specifications at any time without notice and assumes no responsibility for any errors in the site. The model number does not necessarily reflect the overall length of a particular unit.

[CWSWine]

My 315RST specs from the website were.
Pin Weight 1953
Dry Weight 9926
My Yellow tag on 5er
Dry Weight 10,024
Scale Weight
5er Weight 11,380
Pin Weight 2740
I added 1345 lbs and the pin weight jumped from 1953 to 2740 and the pin weight less than 20% of 5er weight to 24.1%. Makes it hard to predict weights from factory specs.

[Tireman9]

ryand
We may have a bit of confusion. Can you post a picture of the "Yellow sticker" you are talking about.

[Tireman9]

Originally Posted by CWSWine

My 315RST specs from the website were.
Pin Weight 1953
Dry Weight 9926
My Yellow tag on 5er
Dry Weight 10,024
Scale Weight
5er Weight 11,380
Pin Weight 2740
I added 1345 lbs and the pin weight jumped from 1953 to 2740 and the pin weight less than 20% of 5er weight to 24.1%. Makes it hard to predict weights from factory specs.

Sounds like you need to ask FR why the web site is not providing accurate information.

[ryand]

Originally Posted by Tireman9

ryand
We may have a bit of confusion. Can you post a picture of the "Yellow sticker" you are talking about.

I'll take a photo of mine tonight, but I wish I had snapped the sticker on the units at the show that had missing info.


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[Oaklevel]

This is interesting the manufacturers are not calling it "dry weight" any longer ???? It is now called "UVW (Unloaded Vehicle Weight)* For my unit I noticed this year it is heavier than dry weight for my year brochure the "UVW" is more (or heavier). I know there can be other manufacturing reasons for that also.

This will make thing even more confusing than they were ...... Interesting the old Dry Weight does not include propane but the new "UVW" does include propane........

[rlehberger]

The gov't regulations now have dry weight on a separate sticker usually on the entry door frame. Heaven forbid we put all info on a single sticker, or in this case gov't forbid.
As for knowing weights, all are good info to have. Many trailers have extra heavy axles so you may have a 22' trailer with a 7,500 lb. GVWR but it only weighs 4,000 dry. figure a max load of 1,000 lbs (unless you carry river rocks)and you have a loaded weight of about 5,000 lbs. no where near the gross weight. It can be a bit confusing but basing your towing decisions on just one number can be very misleading. Most of all

[CWSWine]

Originally Posted by Tireman9

Sounds like you need to ask FR why the web site is not providing accurate information.

Primetime has catch all at the bottom of the page. I qoute

"Floor plans and specifications are based on the latest product information. Prime Time Manufacturing reserves the right to make changes in drawings and specifications at any time without notice and assumes no responsibility for any errors in the site. The model number does not necessarily reflect the overall length of a particular unit."