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Old 09-23-2016, 09:27 AM   #31
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You can pull anything on this lot with that F250.

Alright!

But what if I want to pull one OFF the lot safely?
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Old 09-23-2016, 09:57 AM   #32
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When we bought the Puma the salesman's first question are what are you going to pull it with. I told them a 2005 Excursion. He asked gas or diesel? I said diesel and he said no problem. When we traded in the Puma they asked the same question but since I already had a comparable weight camper it was not a big deal.

When you have a ProPride hitch that sort of freaks out dealers, they are not knowledgeable about them and flat out say the install is on you. I showed up with a WD hitch from my car hauler and that is all they needed to send me down the road after delivery.
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Old 09-23-2016, 10:08 AM   #33
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When I bought our new camper, the saleslady kept telling me the correct weight to use was the UVW on the sticker. No. Thats unloaded weight. That doesn't include the fridge, AC, propane tanks, and a lot of other stuff.
The yellow sticker UVW is the weight of the rig as it sits. This number deviates from the brochure weights because of the options a particular rig has. So, yes, that number does include the fridge, AC, propane tanks (empty), etc. Most people add 1K to this number for a general idea of what they'll weigh stocked and ready to camp- this is if not hauling water. If hauling water add that as well. Of course, this is just a general rule, as some people take everything out of their house and load it in the camper (us) while others take a change of clothes and hit the road.
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Old 09-23-2016, 10:16 AM   #34
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The yellow sticker UVW is the weight of the rig as it sits. This number deviates from the brochure weights because of the options a particular rig has. So, yes, that number does include the fridge, AC, propane tanks (empty), etc. Most people add 1K to this number for a general idea of what they'll weigh stocked and ready to camp- this is if not hauling water. If hauling water add that as well. Of course, this is just a general rule, as some people take everything out of their house and load it in the camper (us) while others take a change of clothes and hit the road.
Getting my DW to understand we don't need everything is a challenge, when I take something out of the camper we don't need she really has trouble understanding.
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Old 09-23-2016, 10:41 AM   #35
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most 3/4 ton trucks barely have over 2000 worth of payload rating. By the time you add the 5th wheel hitch, family in the cab, random stuff in bed, you have 1000 lbs left for the pin weight of the 5th wheel.
Exactly what I found after weighing our 2014 Flagstaff 8528IKWS and our Chev 2500HD Duramax at the CAT scales. Found the GVWR of the 2500HD to be the limiting factor. Think many with the 3/4 ton will find this to be the same.

A simple check anyone can perform before purchasing a new 5th wheel is as follows. Go to the CAT scales and weigh your truck (full fuel, normal passenger load). Add 250 lbs if a 5th wheel hitch is NOT installed. Call this "Weight 1". Look at the door panel and find your truck's GVWR (maximum weight of truck with 5th wheel attached).

Look at the trailer sticker and find the trailer's GVWR (maximum fully loaded trailer weight). Simply assume you will load the trailer to 90% of this number. Next assume 20% of this loaded trailer weight will be transferred to the truck. Call this "Weight 2".

Compare the truck's maximum GVWR with the sum of "Weight 1" PLUS "Weight 2". Think you will be surprised.

As I said my limiting factor was the maximum weight of the truck, yet I had a 7800 lb margin to the maximum combined towing capability of the truck plus trailer as published in the truck's owner manual.

No doubt why many choose a 1 ton.
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Old 09-23-2016, 11:07 AM   #36
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The first TT I looked at I did so driving my SUV, intentionally because I was not buying, just looking. I told the dealer that and what my TV was and of course they put together "the deal".

I did not buy because I wanted to look around at other products. The salesman bumped me up to the sales managers office and then to the owners office. They all tried to tell me how stupid I was for not taking "the deal" (with a WDH included). I stood my ground and did my homework.

I'm glad I did and I'm glad I found this forum.

All said and done I purchased a 2016 F-250 2WD CC SB 3.55 Lariat. Then I went trailer hunting with some perimeters in mind for towing.

I ended up purchasing a Flagstaff Super Lite 27 BEWS. The whole rig full of fuel (TV and TT) on the scales is around 14,500 lbs. The TV is rated for 19,000 lbs. of towing capacity. I'm happy with those numbers. The TV pulls and stops the TT just fine.

But yes, dealer salesman have one thing in mind. Sales.

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We took DWs little Hyundai Santa Fe the first time we went to look. Walked into the lot and the first salesman says "tell me you're not towing with that".

When we did buy our first trailer the sales lady sat down and pulled Ford ETIS and ran the truck down by specific specs, rear end, everything to make sure we weren't getting in over our head. We, of course, already knew it but I appreciated her taking the time to do so.

I still had to sign a disclosure when purchasing it that we were responsible for knowing our ratings.
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Old 09-23-2016, 11:53 AM   #37
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The yellow sticker UVW is the weight of the rig as it sits. This number deviates from the brochure weights because of the options a particular rig has. So, yes, that number does include the fridge, AC, propane tanks (empty), etc. Most people add 1K to this number for a general idea of what they'll weigh stocked and ready to camp- this is if not hauling water. If hauling water add that as well. Of course, this is just a general rule, as some people take everything out of their house and load it in the camper (us) while others take a change of clothes and hit the road.
For some time if it has propane tanks the full weight is in the published weight.
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For some time if it has propane tanks the full weight is in the published weight.
I believe that is true, however the published weight will not include options. Therefore, your UVW on the yellow sticker will still deviate from the brochure weight. To my knowledge, the yellow sticker UVW will be the weight of the unit as shipped. Since they ship without batterie(s) and propane, I would venture those are not included in the sticker UVW. My main point was that build options ARE in fact included on the yellow sticker UVW.
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most 3/4 ton trucks barely have over 2000 worth of payload rating. By the time you add the 5th wheel hitch, family in the cab, random stuff in bed, you have 1000 lbs left for the pin weight of the 5th wheel.
Hmmm. Mine has 2700 lbs with the Camper Package. We plan on a 14,500 Columbus with 2300 pin weight. We are good to go here with our 3/4 ton.
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