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Old 09-24-2016, 10:36 AM   #51
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............Personally, after reading a number of posts on this and several other forums, I decided that my consideration would be based on using 15% of the GVWR as my tongue weight . Used that against my TV yellow sticker PW to make sure I would be OK.
I did something similar to this, but it didn't work out.

I know you can't trust the brochure weights, but since you can't load the trailer and weigh it before you purchase I did the math on the listed pin weight and the listed dry weight. It worked out to a little under 20%, so I applied that to the listed GVWR for the trailer hoping that would be close to the loaded trailer's pin weight.

After purchasing the trailer I loaded up and stopped at the CAT scales on our first trip out. After doing the math on the CAT scale weights I found that my pin weight is a little under 25%.

I believe the increase in the pin weight percentage has to do with the trailer's floorplan, rear living. There is not much storage located behind the trailer's axles and it's mostly overhead storage, so light weight items. Then when you consider the weight of what is usually placed in the cargo bay and the front compartment.....lawn chairs, ladder, tools, etc... I can understand the increase in the pin weight percentage.

Just something I never thought about.
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Old 09-24-2016, 11:26 AM   #52
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I had the same issue - it had to fit on the driveway and the measurements in the specs can't be trusted. We took a tape measure and a plumb bob RV shopping with us and got it exactly right.
We took a tape measure with us to the RV show to shop also! We got a few looks from people watching us measure the lengths of motorhomes!
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Old 09-24-2016, 11:30 AM   #53
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can't blame the dealer for the fact that buyers want to buy into their BS . in the end you're all responsible for what you buy and tow . if you don't know then you should find out before you buy . ignorance is not an excuse and blaming others for what you don't know doesn't fly
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Old 09-24-2016, 11:47 AM   #54
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can't blame the dealer for the fact that buyers want to buy into their BS . in the end you're all responsible for what you buy and tow . if you don't know then you should find out before you buy . ignorance is not an excuse and blaming others for what you don't know doesn't fly

I think the basic posting is about people knowing some about the RV world and the crap they get in the sales pitch. As I stated earlier...I don't the think the salesman knew what to tell me. He seemed sincere in his thinking. He may have only been there a short time. He said a 15+k 5er would only have 1500 pin...then I called a bull crap.


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I think the basic posting is about people knowing some about the RV world and the crap they get in the sales pitch. As I stated earlier...I don't the think the salesman knew what to tell me. He seemed sincere in his thinking. He may have only been there a short time. He said a 15+k 5er would only have 1500 pin...then I called a bull crap.


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sure it's bull but happens in just about any sales position. autos, rv, motorcycles, furniture you name it . as the saying goes buyer beware. with the internet now people can be very informed buyers . if you get a rv and find you don't have enough truck even after the sales guy told you you did then it's stills falls back on the buyer
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Old 09-25-2016, 12:03 PM   #56
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most 3/4 ton trucks barely have over 2000 worth of payload rating. By the time you add the 5th wheel hitch, family in the cab, random stuff in bed, you have 1000 lbs left for the pin weight of the 5th wheel.
Really, only 2000 lbs? Don't tell Chevy!
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I did something similar to this, but it didn't work out.

I know you can't trust the brochure weights, but since you can't load the trailer and weigh it before you purchase I did the math on the listed pin weight and the listed dry weight. It worked out to a little under 20%, so I applied that to the listed GVWR for the trailer hoping that would be close to the loaded trailer's pin weight.

After purchasing the trailer I loaded up and stopped at the CAT scales on our first trip out. After doing the math on the CAT scale weights I found that my pin weight is a little under 25%.

I believe the increase in the pin weight percentage has to do with the trailer's floorplan, rear living. There is not much storage located behind the trailer's axles and it's mostly overhead storage, so light weight items. Then when you consider the weight of what is usually placed in the cargo bay and the front compartment.....lawn chairs, ladder, tools, etc... I can understand the increase in the pin weight percentage.

Just something I never thought about.
And don't forget those washer/dryer combos that sit up in the front closets in the front cap. DW had one of those installed before our 5er ever left the lot...will admit it's been a great add-on for us to have...... don't know how much weight that added but it sits right on top of the pin box.
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The W/D combo is about 160#. We have the vented. If less than 10 days we bring laundry home. Longer and CG laundry is checked. Small loads only in the combo and takes way too for a load to complete. Happy when there when absolutely needed but happier with alternatives.
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Earlier this year at an RV Expo a salesperson didn't know the tongue weight of a particular TT we were looking at so he went and got one of their "Towing Technicians" who told me the tongue weight was around 450 pounds because this trailer weighed in at around 4000 pounds.

I said thank you but that's higher than the rating of the tow vehicle I had at the time (the Jeep). He asked me what the rating was and I told him tongue weight limit was 350 pounds and towing capacity was 3500 pounds.

"No problem" he said. "Just put a weight distributing hitch on it and that will double both your tongue weight and towing capacity. So you'd be able to tow 7,000 pounds with a 700 pound tongue weight. Because it doubles the capacity, see?"
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Really, only 2000 lbs? Don't tell Chevy!
Don't tell Ford...
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