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Old 09-25-2016, 02:04 PM   #61
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I was at the Ford dealer looking to trade my 150 for a Super Duty.
They had two 250 Lariats side by side virtually identical except for one thing.
One was diesel and one gas.
Cargo rating 2700 for gas vs 2000 for diesel.
Since the 150's cargo was 1600, I couldn't justify getting a diesel 250.
Just an explanation for greatly variable cargo ratings.
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Old 09-25-2016, 02:38 PM   #62
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I was at the Ford dealer looking to trade my 150 for a Super Duty.
They had two 250 Lariats side by side virtually identical except for one thing.
One was diesel and one gas.
Cargo rating 2700 for gas vs 2000 for diesel.
Since the 150's cargo was 1600, I couldn't justify getting a diesel 250.
Just an explanation for greatly variable cargo ratings.
I got the 6.2 gasser only since DW might drive it. I am certain one day she would put gas in it and paying for new diesel motor was not an option.
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Old 09-25-2016, 06:55 PM   #63
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And don't forget those washer/dryer combos that sit up in the front closets in the front cap. DW had one of those installed before our 5er ever left the lot...will admit it's been a great add-on for us to have...... don't know how much weight that added but it sits right on top of the pin box.

I would agree. One trailer I saw was with 3600 lbs pin weight before adding your own stuff.

More is better right?
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Old 09-25-2016, 07:07 PM   #64
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Hmmm. Mine has 2700 lbs with the Camper Package. We plan on a 14,500 Columbus with 2300 pin weight. We are good to go here with our 3/4 ton.
that's why the first word of my post was "most", not "all"
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Old 09-25-2016, 08:29 PM   #65
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Sometimes it's ignorance. I think a lot of the time it's deliberate avoidance or outright lies. Some things I've learned about this lifestyle...
  • Do all your own research on both TV and trailer. THOROUGH research.
  • Don't buy a trailer with a GVWR higher than your fully loaded TV can safely tow.
  • "Dry weight" is borderline meaningless. Actual weight (gotten after taking it to a scale yourself) is key.
  • It's good to have DIY skills. VERY GOOD.

Yep pretty much, that's why I did my homework first because I didn't want them to tell me some lie.
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Old 09-26-2016, 07:39 AM   #66
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The 2500HD duramax I just bought has a 2400 pound payload according to the door sticker. It also advertises a 17000 pound fifth wheel rating. I doubt there's a 5th wheel that weighs that much that has a pin weight that would fit within my 2400 pound limitation. (not even accounting for other passengers and gear in back of truck)

With that said, the only differences between my truck and the same truck in a 3500HD srw is one extra leaf spring on each side of the rear axle, tire size (I have 20" and they aren't available on the 3500HD), and the 3500HD emblems. Everything else is the same.

My 2500HD and a 3500HD configured the same both have a conventional tow rating of 13,000 pounds.
They both also say 17,000 pound 5th wheel rating according to the 2015 chevy trailering guide.

That extra leaf adds a lot of payload though.

So hypothetically I could add the extra leaf and do almost anything I'd plan on doing but it doesn't change the door sticker in cases of liability.
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Old 09-26-2016, 07:41 AM   #67
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And

my salesman also said "you can pull anything you want with that truck"

and he wasn't intentionally misleading me, we've been friends for 40 years.

And he's partially right, I can pull anything a single rear wheel hd can pull.

But am I doing it legally?
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Old 09-26-2016, 07:47 AM   #68
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I think this info is a little bit off. The following is from the FR brochure for 2016:

Specification Definitions
GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) - is the maximum permissible weight of the unit when fully loaded. It includes all weights, inclusive of all fluids, cargo, optional equipment and accessories. For safety and product performance do NOT exceed the GVWR.


GAWR (Gross Axle Weight Rating) - is the maximum permissible weight, including cargo, fluids, optional equipment and accessories that can be safely supported by a combination of all axles.


UVW (Unloaded Vehicle Weight)* - is the typical weight of the unit as manufactured at the factory. It includes all weight at the unit’s axle(s) and tongue or pin and LP Gas. The UVW does not include cargo, fresh potable water, additional optional equipment or dealer installed accessories.
*Estimated average based on standard build optional equipment.

CCC (Cargo Carrying Capacity)** - is the amount of weight available for fresh potable water, cargo, additional optional equipment and accessories. CCC is equal to GVWR minus UVW. Available CCC should accommodate fresh potable water (8.3 lbs per gallon). Before filling the fresh water tank, empty the black and gray tanks to provide for more cargo capacity.
** Estimated average based on standard build optional equipment

Each Forest River RV is weighed at the manufacturing facility prior to shipping. A label identifying the unloaded vehicle weight of the actual unit and the cargo carrying capacity is applied to every Forest River RV prior to leaving our facilities.

Personally, after reading a number of posts on this and several other forums, I decided that my consideration would be based on using 15% of the GVWR as my tongue weight . Used that against my TV yellow sticker PW to make sure I would be OK.
I think you are confused about the YELLOW STICKER weights versus brochure weights. I'm not an expert, but I THINK your emphasized phrase is talking about the BROCHURE UVW, not the YELLOW STICKER UVW. The UVW on the yellow sticker should be the actual weight of your rig as built. I know all of mine have deviated from brochure UVW, and they shouldn't if that number is calculated as you suggest.
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And

my salesman also said "you can pull anything you want with that truck"

and he wasn't intentionally misleading me, we've been friends for 40 years.

And he's partially right, I can pull anything a single rear wheel hd can pull.

But am I doing it legally?
Huh oh. You've gone and done it now. Camp A uses logic and points out that the 2500 and 3500 SRW (for Ford and GM, anyway- I think Ram may now be different) are identical except for a helper spring (easily added- actually is on my F250 with camper package). Camp B says it doesn't matter because you are NOT a safe person if you don't adhere to the sticker on the door jamb. The posts then nose dive into doomsday type scenarios about insurance denying coverage to federal prison time for offenders.
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Huh oh. You've gone and done it now. Camp A uses logic and points out that the 2500 and 3500 SRW (for Ford and GM, anyway- I think Ram may now be different) are identical except for a helper spring (easily added- actually is on my F250 with camper package). Camp B says it doesn't matter because you are NOT a safe person if you don't adhere to the sticker on the door jamb. The posts then nose dive into doomsday type scenarios about insurance denying coverage to federal prison time for offenders.
Not just here either. I read some posts about the same thing on the Duramax forum yesterday. People were ready to choke one another.

A large segment of the 5th wheels in the campground I'm staying at are pulled by 1/2 tons, right at or way over their payload.

"But it's a Hemi!!!"
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