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Old 09-11-2015, 12:49 PM   #41
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A-man, if this was a Toyota Camry, I bet the line would be recalled. The entire line of this model should be recalled IMO in case I wasn't clear.

Has anyone found the PDF from FR on how the repair should be accomplished? Its only 2 pages. WW

I have Toyota as a customer, believe me they are not perfect!! So what you're telling me is, if one person complained about their Toyota Camry having a flaw in (your choice), they would recall the entire line? Because that is the example that is set here, one XLR model (as we have no other proof of another like model with a crack).


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Old 09-11-2015, 02:03 PM   #42
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I have Toyota as a customer, believe me they are not perfect!! So what you're telling me is, if one person complained about their Toyota Camry having a flaw in (your choice), they would recall the entire line? Because that is the example that is set here, one XLR model (as we have no other proof of another like model with a crack).


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The point is it's not one person. It's not even one line. It's multiple coaches, more than we all know. My frame is a Wildcat. The common denominator is the cheesy poor quality, too thin of material being used by Lippert.

Until it happens to you, and you see how these failures occur, and how easily it could of been avoided if they used the quality material at the correct gauge, you may never understand.
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Old 09-11-2015, 02:36 PM   #43
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The point is it's not one person. It's not even one line. It's multiple coaches, more than we all know. My frame is a Wildcat. The common denominator is the cheesy poor quality, too thin of material being used by Lippert.

Until it happens to you, and you see how these failures occur, and how easily it could of been avoided if they used the quality material at the correct gauge, you may never understand.
On the contrary, I do understand, and I would hope that Lippert/FR will stand behind their product. But, it's not a widespread problem that affects thousands or even hundreds of units. You state that this happens "more than we all know", same argument can be made that it only happens to those we do know(proof). You also must take into consideration the age of a unit. An RV that is 9yrs old can't be grouped in with one that is 2yrs old. You must also consider if the frame cracks are due to misuse. We have seen that on here, a new unit with a severely bent frame due to double towing a golf cart. Everyone was up in arms screaming for justice, UNTIL the facts came out. My point is still as I stated in the my first post. One or 2 cases per line(and this is what we KNOW) is not cause for widespread panic and/or condemnation of the entire line and manufacturer.
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Exactly! One case of a rattle or squeak they should buy them all back. As for our XLRs, what's a few broken frames due to bare minimum material and engineering, like someone said, until its your 2 to 4 year old rig that falls apart you won't understand. You can't.
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Old 09-12-2015, 05:43 AM   #45
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Exactly! One case of a rattle or squeak they should buy them all back.

You've picked the wrong lifestyle! Good luck.


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Old 09-12-2015, 08:22 AM   #46
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Read through this and a couple items come to mind. I no longer own a FR product, not because I didn't like it but was ready to move to a 5er and didn't find one that we really wanted in FR. I bought an open range.Click image for larger version

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After buying new and having for 6 months I discovered this:
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After reading open range forum there is a whole bunch of this that look just like mine. Long story short it took a week and it was fixed. Question becomes is it fixed for good... Not sure I am no metallurgist or structural engineer. The common problem isn't forest river, open range, keystone or whatever.. It is and always has been lippert, there is not 1 thing they make that is of substantial quality consistently. 2 new units in 5 years and most likely will buy again in a couple years. But I have gotten a touch wiser. For safety and overall quality sake I will ask more questions on my next trailer and if I can find a unit with limited lippert parts with the right layout and it costs 10% more that may be the unit for me.
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Read through this and a couple items come to mind. I no longer own a FR product, not because I didn't like it but was ready to move to a 5er and didn't find one that we really wanted in FR. I bought an open range.Attachment 88421

After buying new and having for 6 months I discovered this:
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After reading open range forum there is a whole bunch of this that look just like mine. Long story short it took a week and it was fixed. Question becomes is it fixed for good... Not sure I am no metallurgist or structural engineer. The common problem isn't forest river, open range, keystone or whatever.. It is and always has been lippert, there is not 1 thing they make that is of substantial quality consistently. 2 new units in 5 years and most likely will buy again in a couple years. But I have gotten a touch wiser. For safety and overall quality sake I will ask more questions on my next trailer and if I can find a unit with limited lippert parts with the right layout and it costs 10% more that may be the unit for me.
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Old 09-13-2015, 11:49 AM   #48
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Hyperbole: exaggerated speech used for emphasis or effect.

I should point out for those that can't figure it out, the following is not hyperbole: Lippert is to blame for these substandard frames and these failures. FR is to ultimately to blame for not holding them to a higher standard and as the final assembler should fix these frames without regard for warranty period. How do we know ours is bad, the factory should look, but if they are unwilling we should. We are stupid for buying them before researching the problems. The problem is Lippert builds darn near all frames. We as consumers have demand bigger and lighter product and they have supplied us with flimsy junk. End of rant! MORE COFFEE!

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Hyperbole: exaggerated speech used for emphasis or effect.

I should point out for those that can't figure it out, the following is not hyperbole: Lippert is to blame for these substandard frames and these failures. FR is to ultimately to blame for not holding them to a higher standard and as the final assembler should fix these frames without regard for warranty period. How do we know ours is bad, the factory should look, but if they are unwilling we should. We are stupid for buying them before researching the problems. The problem is Lippert builds darn near all frames. We as consumers have demand bigger and lighter product and they have supplied us with flimsy junk. End of rant! MORE COFFEE!

05CD, right on, brother!
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I wonder sometimes, as we demand better consumer rights, if "we" as consumers are part of the problem?

I mean "we" want bigger nicer rigs, with multiple television and residential refrigerators. But we want to pull them with 1/2 ton Fords, with V6 motors?

In order to make that happen, weight is cut wherever possible. Now, we begin to see weak thin steel used in areas where it shouldn't be?

I could be way off base, just a thought.

Not to minimize what you guys are going through. I'd be pissed too.

Hopefully the manufacturers stand up and do the right thing.
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