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Old 10-07-2015, 06:55 AM   #21
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Real problem with using cables on a ramp not designed for it is you are supporting the deck only in two places on the extreme left and right edges as opposed to entire bottom edge as it was designed. Reinforced door has internal strut to add strength. If you want a bowed door, use this idea.
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Old 10-07-2015, 10:14 AM   #22
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Real problem with using cables on a ramp not designed for it is you are supporting the deck only in two places on the extreme left and right edges as opposed to entire bottom edge as it was designed. Reinforced door has internal strut to add strength. If you want a bowed door, use this idea.
looks like quite a few have used this idea without adverse effects . what documentation do you have on the ramp doors being different other then a dealer saying so ?
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Old 10-07-2015, 10:48 AM   #23
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Real problem with using cables on a ramp not designed for it is you are supporting the deck only in two places on the extreme left and right edges as opposed to entire bottom edge as it was designed. Reinforced door has internal strut to add strength. If you want a bowed door, use this idea.

I would think that the door should be designed for whatever weight the toy hauler garage would hold. Ours I believe is 2000lbs. I don't have the patio kit, but I think I remember them being a 450 or 500 lb weight limit. Which is probably to account for what you're saying. As a ramp, if XLR design things correctly it should hold a "toy" with a weight of 2000. As a patio, it would be less due to cables and safety. I'd be curious to hear from the XLR guys. I wouldn't think it would be a whole different door though.
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Old 10-07-2015, 04:02 PM   #24
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The VIP deck has additional reinforcement per the XLR General manager. See quote below.

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Old 10-07-2015, 05:00 PM   #25
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No where is patio door shown in the snippet you shared .it does state that no doors have plywood in them and they are all composite .with a sheet of aluminum installed on the inside on vip doors for things like table and chairs .that can be taken care of very easy with another piece of aluminum or a rug for that matter
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anyway you look at it 2500 for a extra thin sheet of aluminum is not warrantied . still see no issue with creating your own patio door with an existing ramp door
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Not trying to argue. Just stating facts from the factory. Take it or leave it.


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Old 10-07-2015, 05:17 PM   #28
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I was going to do the same thing so I spoke with Lippert and Forest River and was told the patio door is structurally built to take the weight and if you look at one that has the factory patio system there is more springs on the bottom of one that is not rated for the patio system. I still think it would work if it is used wit just two people on it much more than that it would probably distort the door.


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nothing to argue about . fact is the doors are the same . and the statement of there being an extra sheet of aluminum in there seems fishy at best . As a sheet of aluminum will not do much if anything to prevents dents , maybe a 1/4 "sheet of it . So we are still back at square one
Having dealt with FR employees on these units their knowledge of them are less then the people who actually own them . just like when the FR xlr person told me there was only one large grey tank when in fact there are two .
you bring no proof but only an FR employee that probally does not truly know himself

Guess i'll need to cal lippert myself
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I agree I did talk to lippert to get my info on the door one of the people I talked with at Forest River told me it was the same door and when I called back I was told is wasn't. I had a 29hfs that I wanted to do that to but I traded up for a 425 Thunderbolt with the patio system and when I walk on it I can tell a difference plus I think the doors on the 27 and the 29 are rated for a 1000 lbs and my new 425 is rated at 1600 lbs it is a foot longer so it would have to have more support in it because if it was the same structure bring longer the capacity would be less than 1000 lbs bring longer.


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