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Old 06-22-2015, 03:28 PM   #1
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29hfs bed

So, I'm looking at a 2016 29hfs. I have a few questions though as I am brand new to rving.
1: The bed is 74" and I'm 73" tall. I'm thinking i'll remove the wards build some to supports and turn the bed sideways. Has anyone done or seen this done?
2: The unit doesn't have the gen prep package. Can you add that later or how difficult is it to add a gen later?
3: it has the max clearance Dinette in the garage. What is the clearance height and can I run them individually or remove 1 so I can leave my motorcycle in and still use it?
Sorry if the answers are already posted I looked and couldn't find any.
Thanks in advance,
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Old 06-23-2015, 12:41 AM   #2
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Generator prep depends on how handy you are ----- requires a relay to switch from generator to AC to switch between the 2 sources -- about 100$ on up - plus some 30amp isolators big gauge copper wire - remote starter ect. Not too hard but will take some time to install....

You can remove top bed in. Walk thru and then on 2016 models the benches for the dinette will fold flat against the wall
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Old 06-23-2015, 11:52 AM   #3
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The other part of gen prep is fuel. The gen prep package includes the fuel tank/station plus fuel lines to the gen compartment.
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Old 06-23-2015, 12:26 PM   #4
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Forgot about the gas tanks or you could just put a tank on the front nose easy enough personally If i did it again I would just go with electric start Honda Yamaha etc. the Onan very noisy compared to the Honda Yamaha power house ect
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Old 06-23-2015, 01:01 PM   #5
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1. The reason I picked the 29, was the bed like it is. If I thought sideways would work, I would have bought the 27 and saved a few hundred pounds and a couple thousand ($$). Of course, the toy bay is a foot longer on the 29.

I just bought a mattress from WallyM that is 75" ($289 foam.... wonderful!)... slightly longer than what was there, but not a factor. The front bed could be turned with a major suport redo, but consider the side cabinets are in the way, as well as how much higher the bed will be off the floor.

2. Reproducing the factory generator prep will be a major pain. I don't know how you could get the generator box in retro and then there's the fuel tank with welded iron suports. I would suggest you consider a portable (or two in the case of Honda 2000i with companion), which is considerably less expensive and can easily be mounted or transported on the tongue or the bed of the truck. Of course the Onan could be mounted on the tongue, but you owe it to yourself to experience the Onan running and think about the noise; it might be okay for you. A generator stting on the ground... you can barely hear it inside. For many the portable units gives you home use as well. Like PH said, you will need a automatic transfer switch (TS) wired in no matter what you do for a generator. With the gen prep, the TS is under the bed, in back of the genny box. So, the AC feed from the utility side (shore power) runs to the switch; as does the cable from the generator; then another back to the distribution panel. These are all 10-2 awg on mine. You will need to drop the belly pan (coroplast) for access to below the floor. Also, like DennisTD said, the gen prep also has the fuel station tank for fuel. I can't imagine adding the tank and fuel station in a retro fit. I've done some crazy mods, but that would exceed my skill set. I would never weld on the frame of a new trailer.

3. x2 on PHs comment. He has this set up, mine is the one bed option and it lifts to within 6 inches (MOL) of the ceiling. The happiJack is ready for the second bed or dinette, which isn't on my radar... with my Triumph inside and without tailbox, I can lower the bed to about 3 feet off the floor. Little ones and old ones (like me) would need a ladder or stool to get in and out of the bed. I've only taken a nap on it and until upgrade mattress, I wouldn't consider sleeping on it.
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Old 06-23-2015, 04:08 PM   #6
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29hfs bed

Thanks for all the help guys. I agree I definitely like the bedroom layout and tv placement on the 29 better I just don't know if I'll have enough room to stretch out and be comfortable. As far as the generator it sounds like it's easier to just run a portable genny. For as often as I plan on going without power my gas would probably go bad anyway. As far as the dinette I think with some trial and error be able to figure something out or I'll just rub a bald spot into my head. Thanks again
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WW alway has the best explanations 😎😎😎👀👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

I took the bed out in garage and just have dinette in there now - huge difference- you will definitely be banging your head and also it blocks the lighting with the bed up
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Are youse guys saying when you sit at the table (dinette, pass through, one each) you hit your head on the bed? I wonder if there is anyway to make a pass-through dinette out of popsicle sticks and recycled bubble pack?

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What about using an external gen? Like I said, I've never used an rv before. Is it as simple as buying a gen and plugging it into the power cord? Do you guys like the on board gen or is it too noisy? I Plan on spending %90 in a rv park or somewhere that has power hook ups.
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Old 06-24-2015, 06:22 PM   #10
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The first question that you should be asking yourself is, do you need a generator.

You know that even with commercial power, you don't have unlimited capacity, such as you would at home(?), even that has some limits.

Your question, if you can simply plug the cord into a generator, yes.

Can you just run it from the side to the genny, yes?

Is a generator noisy,yes! Are they worse on board, yes, yes. If you (and anyone else involved) can sleep through a nuclear explosion, this won't be an issue.

I can't address how good or bad an onboard genny is, I don't have one, but I"ve heard one and I'm not interested.

There are so many variables, what you do about 10% of your stays is the question... and a big one, if you MUST have air conditioning.

You realize that you can do a lot with battery (batteries) and gas only if you have plenty of both. You will have water... hot water... fridge... stove... 12 volt lights. Even TV if you have a 12 volt-er. You will have a limit of how long you can run "off the grid"... how much water, how many "amp hours" of battery. Then consider if a small inverter would work for you. But, you have to replentish the amps you use each day; either with from the tow vehicle while driving, solar, generator or commercial power. How economical you all can be with these resources is a huge factor.

Another solution is a battery bank and a big inverter, such as Play Harder just did.

It takes about 2400 watts of generator to run one air conditioner, but only that and not much more. If you want to run the whole camper, and not think much about what you use, you need 4000 watts (or about 3600 watts continous).

Only you can predict how you will use your unit and if you really need one. I normally use mine more in winter, so a single eu2000i is all I normally need. If I was heading for death valley, I would want 5500 watts. Cause its going to take two air conditioners.

Also keep in mind, many parks, especially national parks don't allow generators during certain hours. If it is hot, you will sweat.

Like I said before, Play Harder has recently added a huge inverter and 4 batteries (maybe solar as well?) so he can run the trailer without running a genny at all. I can't speak for him and I still am anxious to hear exactly how he did it and with PICTURES. This option has substantial advantages especially for boondockers (camp without water and power usually in wilderness areas)... plus its very "green".
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