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Old 02-23-2015, 08:58 PM   #1
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29HFS Owners experience needed

Hello all,
I am very close to buying the 29HFS and have been digging around to be absolutely sure it is the right unit for us. I have been reading and learning a lot on this site. One question I have seen asked, on this form and others but never really answered, is the question of garage weight to tongue weight ratio. So, I thought the folks who actually own this exact model should know best. I am going to max out the garage weight at 2000lbs so before I can buy it, I need to have a really good idea of how much tongue weight I will loose.

So, not everyone puts that much in their garage but, if you haul one full blow Harley touring or a Goldwing and know how much it changes the tongue weight, that will be a great help. Thanks in advance.
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Old 02-23-2015, 09:28 PM   #2
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I think the general rule of thumb is that for every 2.5# in the garage, you lose 1# of tongue weight. Obviously that depends on some specific measurements on your trailer, but it's a start.
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Old 02-23-2015, 11:08 PM   #3
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I have seen that ratio before. If it is correct, that's 800 lbs from the tongue weight when I put 2000 in the garage. I just need to know if that's true for this trailer. Hoping someone who owns one has actually put it on the scales.
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Old 02-24-2015, 07:54 AM   #4
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It really depends on where your wheels are in relationship to the trailer. If the wheels are 10' from the back (20' from the front) then you'll lose 1lb on the tongue for every 2lbs added at the very end of the trailer. In actual you don't put the weight at the very end of the trailer so the tongue weight loss will be a little less than 1lb.
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Old 02-24-2015, 12:47 PM   #5
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It really depends on where your wheels are in relationship to the trailer. If the wheels are 10' from the back (20' from the front) then you'll lose 1lb on the tongue for every 2lbs added at the very end of the trailer. In actual you don't put the weight at the very end of the trailer so the tongue weight loss will be a little less than 1lb.
That is exactly why I asked this quest of owners of this exact trailer. There are a lot of calculations which a good engineer could do concerning fulcrum effect of two axles but, spring tension, axle (fulcrum) placement, lever length, other weights on each side of the fulcrum, etc, etc, etc.

Easier to just put a load in the back and measure the difference.
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I just bought a Sherline tongue scale for that reason, with the varied ways I will have my 27HFS loaded (with 2 Harleys, or just one, or none and kids bicycles, one bike and a quad, empty garage, with water, without water, etc. etc.) I can easily check the weight myself and adjust accordingly. I found a good deal on discount Sherline lathe mill and Tools - discountcampus.com for $106 ($120 including shipping) so I think its a great investment.
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Old 02-24-2015, 04:02 PM   #7
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I just bought a Sherline tongue scale for that reason, with the varied ways I will have my 27HFS loaded (with 2 Harleys, or just one, or none and kids bicycles, one bike and a quad, empty garage, with water, without water, etc. etc.) I can easily check the weight myself and adjust accordingly. I found a good deal on discount Sherline lathe mill and Tools - discountcampus.com for $106 ($120 including shipping) so I think its a great investment.
Good for you.
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Good for you.

The trailers are front heavy (tw) because of loading cargo in the garage . one reason the axles are set back further , don't know what your loading I'll have about 1700 lbs in my garage with another 1000 loaded in gear through out ie water , generator , food , clothes , tools , plus gas it all adds up quick. just remember to stow heavier gear fwd and you should be fine
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The trailers are front heavy (tw) because of loading cargo in the garage . one reason the axles are set back further , don't know what your loading I'll have about 1700 lbs in my garage with another 1000 loaded in gear through out ie water , generator , food , clothes , tools , plus gas it all adds up quick. just remember to stow heavier gear fwd and you should be fine
Your absolutely right. XLR has done a good job recognizing the need to start with slightly more tongue weight than some others just for this reason.
What I don't want is to buy the thing and then discover that the only way to make it tow well is to add water weight to it. It is already going to be pretty darn heavy. I just want to be confident BEFORE I make the purchase.

What I really think is that when I put 2000lbs in the garage and close to 1000lbs in front of the axles, I may have a net -400lbs tongue weight. That leaves only 600lbs. Which is not nearly enough. Plus, I'm going to add an WD anti-sway hitch. That thing is going to remove more tongue weight. Now what?
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Your absolutely right. XLR has done a good job recognizing the need to start with slightly more tongue weight than some others just for this reason.
What I don't want is to buy the thing and then discover that the only way to make it tow well is to add water weight to it. It is already going to be pretty darn heavy. I just want to be confident BEFORE I make the purchase.

What I really think is that when I put 2000lbs in the garage and close to 1000lbs in front of the axles, I may have a net -400lbs tongue weight. That leaves only 600lbs. Which is not nearly enough. Plus, I'm going to add an WD anti-sway hitch. That thing is going to remove more tongue weight. Now what?

ok stock dry weight is 974 TW . add 2000 lbs in cargo should still leave you with about 487 TW .it is important to not carry the full load on the rear axle , then add your other gear and i would think you'd be fine . as far as WD hitches what do you plan on using ? Whats your TV ? I just bought the 29 , have not even picked up yet . I have a chevy 2500HD set up for towing 4:10 and the 6.o gasser .I've decided to go with the Andersen WD hitch only weights 60 lbs no bar's or grease , i hear it does extremly well for no sway no bounce and good on WD . With this hitch you won't have to worry about 1000lbs bars and a hitch that weighs 200lbs . you can adjust the WD portion of the andersen lighter
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