True. I'm still a fan of the 395 like yours and the 420 with the side patio. Of course, the Forest River website shows the 420 pin weight as "TBD". Come on.
RV Outlet's page has two 420s and they say 2647 lbs. That's the lightest pin weight of any toy hauler I've seen that also had the side patio. For now, I'll trust that. Whichever unit we get, it has to pass my Sherline test though.
Going to look at some Vengeance Touring Editions tomorrow. I like the floorplans but having looked at so many XLRs, they have a tough standard to hit with us.