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Old 04-12-2015, 08:15 PM   #81
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Based on the information you shared (missing GVWR and Cargo Max, as well as TW - a scale is necessary to know TW) I can pretty much guess what these are, however. Based on 1400# and a full fuel tank only, you would have a tongue weight of about 580# a TWR of 6.5% and a reserve cargo capacity for everything else you can carry (LP, water, clothes, food, et al) of 814#.

If you add 3 deep cycle battteries to the tongue (suggested by PH), it brings the TWR up to 7.7% but reduces cargo to 660#. Theoretical doable.

But, 2000# in garage, not so much. Rear axle upgrade won't increase GVWR (not offically anyway).

This is based on toy weight 52 inches from the front wall. If you kept the 188# in the fuel tank and loaded the garage to the max (2K) your TWR would be 4% and reserve cargo capacity would be 214# total.

I would guess you have the generator the extreme package and maybe the walk-thru dinette in the garage.

It is my contention that the 29HFS garage, based on TWR, should be rated for no more than 1500#; less in practicality if you want to add a battery, a small amount of water and a lawn chair or three. Your cargo would want to be as close to the front as possible, as those pounds regain some of the TW lost to garage weight.

Oh, and 2000# loaded ideally in the garage puts 2600# onto the rear axle pair, if they share equally, which experience says they don't do exactly.
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Old 04-12-2015, 09:01 PM   #82
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I wanna see pics of Can- Am and Harley in that garage 😎

I'm just loading a Can Am and u said a 1000lb u must have an RT gonna be one tight fit /

I pulled my queen bed in garage for a little extra weight saving - and head room -- still have the walk thru dinette if I need a second sleeper for some one

Would like to see it all loaded

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I could not agree more. I will place the order contengent on my being able to fit my toy in there and still have tongue weight
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Old 04-12-2015, 09:20 PM   #83
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Based on Mader's UTW adding 2000 lbs in the garage (CG at that 52" point) it looks like this GDH. TW 4%. Sorry it is so small, but click on the image and you can read it.
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Old 04-12-2015, 09:22 PM   #84
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Obvious it's possible to put the 5500 lb axles on because a few have had it done - I wonder if you could upgrade to the 5500 lb axles as an upgrade - just a thought - don't know answer maybe bob will chime in.


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Old 04-12-2015, 09:38 PM   #85
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GVWR for the 29HFS is just under 9800lbs. If you where to load the trailer to the max Gross weight, ~15% will be carried by the tow vehicle. 1470-9800=8330/2=4165
Even if you assume worst case of only 10% tongue weight 980-9800=8820/2=4410 which I doubt you would ever see. Getting your tongue weight down to 10% would be the result of some pretty extreme conditions.

Most likely what you will see is 7372 (dry weight) + 1400 (UTV) + 700 (Clothes, pots&pans, Assorted gear, water, Battery, LP Tanks, etc) = 9472 x 12.5% (tongue weight) = 1184-9472=8288/2=4144 per axle

I am going to put a 1000# CanAm and a 900# Harley in the garage when I get mind and I am convened it won't be a problem for the axles.

how do you come up with a total weight of 9800 ? i come up with 96xx .
just so I know i'm adding correctly what i can load . my sticker say 2651 cargo .
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Old 04-12-2015, 11:42 PM   #86
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Based on Mader's UTW adding 2000 lbs in the garage (CG at that 52" point) it looks like this GDH. TW 4%. Sorry it is so small, but click on the image and you can read it.
Wolf, I sure hope we're missing something in that calculation where TW is concerned. Frankly, I'm curious as to the mechanical forces applied to the spring shackles and whether some down force behind the axles can be transfered through the shackles and spring to forward of the axels. What if 25% of the downward energy is transfered forward? Possible? Who'll explain the imposibility? I dare say the mechanics of the suspension system are more than a simple fulcrum when weight is applied to one side or the other.

Or maybe I'm just hopeful
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how do you come up with a total weight of 9800 ? i come up with 96xx .
just so I know i'm adding correctly what i can load . my sticker say 2651 cargo .
I rounded up from the advertised GVWR of 9773 on their Web site
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Sorry but no. A fulcrum is indeed all it is. The simple mechanics of the suspension do nothing to counteract that and send weight forward. This has been discussed ad nausem on RV forums everywhere and when people take the time to get weighed at a CAT scale the results are always the same. The tongue gets lighter when the garage is loaded. My last rig went from 3k pinweight to 2400 with 2k in the garage. The ratio will vary from trailer to trailer but will never reverse itself....

The only toy haulers that get heavier in the front when loaded at ones with a front garage or the ones with an open deck up front.
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Sorry but no. A fulcrum is indeed all it is. The simple mechanics of the suspension do nothing to counteract that and send weight forward. This has been discussed ad nausem on RV forums everywhere and when people take the time to get weighed at a CAT scale the results are always the same. The tongue gets lighter when the garage is loaded. My last rig went from 3k pinweight to 2400 with 2k in the garage. The ratio will vary from trailer to trailer but will never reverse itself....

The only toy haulers that get heavier in the front when loaded at ones with a front garage or the ones with an open deck up front.
Yea, I knew I was arguing against l logic.
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