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Old 01-29-2016, 02:53 PM   #11
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This is true, but where does it stop? 7k axles, 6700 dry weight, 2200 pin weight= 16200 GVWR and 9500 CCC. It's not about maxing out the camper but getting the camper that will comfortably hold what you want to haul. The GVWR is the MAX that a trailer is rated for, if you are close to maxing out all the time, look at the next bigger model.
it's stops with a safety margin of lets say 20% . I went with the larger unit the 29hsf cargo capacity changed 3 times before i picked up my unit which i had all ready paid for it was at 3000 lbs at first . it finally was confirmed by me when i got the unit in my hands cargo was 2653 . this is a toy hauler so 1000 lbs is eaten up right away with one bike . The 2653 is fine but expect to be able to fully utilize that capacity with no fear of causing problems and not to be at max if i choose to do so . head to the back country dry camping eat up 450 lbs in water . add gas to the fuel station 160 ,propane another 40 , batteries 120, generator 140 , leaving just over 600 for food ,clothes , gear , etc . it's cutting it close every time .

The answer is not bigger unit as the 2653 is adequate but do not feel the axles should be maxed out with loading the full 2653 . since i actually weighed every item i put in the unit , from dish towels , clothes , fishing gear , i know where i am and am very carefull not to go over my ccc . but it would be nice to know i,m not maxing out my unit when i stay in specs .

That's why soon it will sport 5200 lbs axles and i will still stick with the 2653 and know i'm now safer for it ,
Same reason i changed tires from the d rated to the E rated now i have that margin of safety with tire load . next thing is axles

common sense to have that margin . at least the factory saved $50 bucks
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Old 01-29-2016, 02:58 PM   #12
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My 2013 27 HFS has 4400 lb axles. I Checked each axle some units in my model year were shipped with lighter axles.
That kind of blows a hole the argument that the units are built to the specific cargo weights and the axles mean nothing or that installing larger axles it will not increase load capacity .
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Old 01-29-2016, 04:09 PM   #13
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Here is a statement from a NHTSA Q&A PDF file. It’s verbatim.

Overloaded Recreational Vehicle (RV).

The FMVSS have requirements for the manufacturer to use proper tires and rims for the gross axle weight rating (GAWR) and the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR). The manufacturer may determine the GVWR by adding cargo capacity (if any) to the curb weight of the vehicle as manufactured. The wise consumer, before purchase, will determine if the vehicle has sufficient cargo capacity to carry the weight of water, additional equipment (such as televisions, and microwave ovens), and luggage. The manufacturer’s certification label must show the GVWR. The GVWR must not be exceeded by overloading the vehicle. There is little the government can do to assist a consumer who has purchased a vehicle that has insufficient cargo capacity for its intended use.
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May have been a mid year engineering change. Who knows what else they may have changed. The trailer in question is a hyper light. They are designed to be light weight with minimal weight materials. In doing so, everything is designed to the edge. If designed for 3500/4400 lb axles and larger axles are put under, would that put undo strain on another component? I.e.: stiffer springs may not flex as needed to absorb shock and thus transmit it to the frame. I'm guessing only the design engineer would know the real effects of that.


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I got that info from the Forest River website so maybe it's not accurate. They might have a type from another trailer, maybe the 24. I just thought it seemed low.

I plan to upgrade the tires to a heavier load rating.
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[QUOTE=AquaMan;1089333]May have been a mid year engineering change. Who knows what else they may have changed. The trailer in question is a hyper light. They are designed to be light weight with minimal weight materials. In doing so, everything is designed to the edge. If designed for 3500/4400 lb axles and larger axles are put under, would that put undo strain on another component? I.e.: stiffer springs may not flex as needed to absorb shock and thus transmit it to the frame. I'm guessing only the design engineer would know the real effects of that.


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and i doubt the design engineers put much thought into these units at all . i know of another xlr29 owner that had issues with the 4400 and caused bottoming out issues at that time it seems they where rated for 3000 + lbs ccc they installed 5200 lbs axles for him under warranty since then they have reduced the ccc to what it is now which isn't an issue . but one should feel safe using the full ccc . or must one look for a rv that has twice the needed ccc to get peace of mind . makes no since . i knew i'd be around 2000 to 2400 fully loaded and with ccc at 2653 which was down by only 47 from the posted 2700 cc it would be okeydokey .
since this is my first TH and not knowing all one can go by is listed ccc capacity assuming the engineers had built the unit to safely haul full loads full time
The tire where the biggest issue with only a total of 8800 capacity that had to go asap as it did
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