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Old 06-23-2015, 08:33 PM   #11
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Yarome,

Not actually. All new tanks produced after 2002 have to have the new Overfill Prevention Device (OPD) valves on them. Many refillers won't/can't handle the old stuff and all of the exchange places use the new OPD valve.
They aren't proprietary. They are GOV mandated. You CAN replace the older valves with the new OPD ones, but it isn't worth it. For $25 most all of the exchange places take your tank in exchange and give you a new tank full of propane. I just did that at a Tractor Supply, and they told me the Rhino down the street does the same.

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One caution with the Rhino and similar exchanges... they use proprietary valves that prevents you from being able to refill those cylinders at any ol refill station.

Once you're in the exchange system, you're stuck with having to use it exclusively.
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Old 06-23-2015, 08:44 PM   #12
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Tanks are good for 12years from the date they were built . At that time the need to have an inspection every 5 years after that .
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Old 06-23-2015, 08:50 PM   #13
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Yarome,

Not actually.
Actually.. yes. It doesn't have to do with the OPD valve requirement. Blue Rhino uses their own TS2 (Tri-Safe II) OPD valve on the majority of their cylinders that can not be re-filled by normal propane suppliers. It requires a magnetic key that must be inserted into the indentation in order to hold a steel ball out of the way.

Directly from Blue Rhino:

"Blue Rhino is the leader in the industry for providing the safest tanks on the market. Some, but not all of our tanks have a special safety device that prevents the refill by anyone other than a Blue Rhino specialist. They are called TS2 cylinders. The reason we designed them is simple. It's for the safety of our consumers!! We stand behind our product. We know how our cylinders are filled and that the highest level of accuracy and safety checks are performed. When our consumers take our cylinders and have them filled elsewhere, we cannot be liable or guarantee the safety of that cylinder. If your tank is not properly filled, damage to your valve can result, which can prevent it from performing properly.
Our business is propane cylinder exchange. We recommend that our customers only exchange because of the safety/liability issues associated with someone else filling our tanks. However, you, as a consumer, are free to fill your cylinder if you wish. Not all of our tanks offer the special safety feature. The way to identify the special TS2 valve tanks that cannot be filled is easy. If your tank valve has a small triangular indention on the side, then it is "tamper" protected. If you prefer to have a tank that can be filled by anyone, take that tank back to any Blue Rhino retailer and exchange it for one that does not have the triangular indention.
For liability reasons, if you choose to refill your tank, please remember to remove the plastic sleeve before having it refilled.
I hope this information helps."
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Old 06-24-2015, 12:24 AM   #14
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While we're in the topic of propane...for those of you in the NEPA area, Modern Gas fills 20# cylinders for $9.95 and 30# cylinders for $15. Good deal.

Propane Gas Sales, Services, Heaters & Fireplaces Scranton, Honesdale, Stroudsburg & Hazleton, Pennsylvania (PA)

Strangely enough, the TSC around here doesn't deal with propane at all, either refilling or exchanging. Wonder why some do and some don't?
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Old 06-24-2015, 01:29 AM   #15
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Did you know that companies that exchange cylinders (20#ers) underfill them, "full" might only be 3.5 gallons? If the price is low enough it still could be less exensive than having a gas company fill yours. Personally, I would rather keep my tanks and only exchange if is an emergency.
These "propane exchange" outlets (bandits) are no different north of the 49th. You're lucky if you get 15 lbs of LP in a 20 pounder - frequently it's less. That's why we too use our own tanks and will drive the extra mile to find someone who's proficient in replenishing a propane cylinder.

You post was an informative read but painful. I worry more about the temp of the barley pops.
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Old 06-24-2015, 09:57 AM   #16
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Directly from Blue Rhino:

I hope this information helps."


Thanks. I must have gotten lucky as I got my rhino tanks refilled at a campground a couple weeks ago.
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Old 06-24-2015, 11:29 AM   #17
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Thanks, didn't know that, (nor have I experienced it.) But I will make sure it doesn't catch me..

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Actually.. yes. It doesn't have to do with the OPD valve requirement. Blue Rhino uses their own TS2 (Tri-Safe II) OPD valve on the majority of their cylinders that can not be re-filled by normal propane suppliers.
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Old 06-24-2015, 11:52 AM   #18
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I have heard if you pour warm water on the outside of the tank you can tell how full it is by where the condensations starts not sure if its true and have not tried it yet.
I tried something similar this last weekend. I poured hot water down the side, then used my IR thermometer gun and ran it up and down the tank. Saw a definite termperature shift of about 10 degrees where I assume the liquid level is. That's close enough for me.
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I know effeciency is depending on may factors including elevation. But, I would think a furnace rated at 19000BTU is already 50% inefficient. More important to efficiency is the human factor.
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Old 07-03-2015, 01:31 PM   #20
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Just get see thru propane tanks.... they are lighter too.....
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