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Old 03-06-2014, 11:23 AM   #31
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You are right on the crappy tires not rated for what they (Ford) rates the truck to do. The speed, even though you think it gets you there sooner, is just too fast, both for the tires on the trailer and for your state of mind and nerves and basic perception of safety. A little slower, 60 mph will only add about 45 min to your trip per 8 hr day (about). Nothing in the scheme of things in the universe.
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Old 03-06-2014, 01:27 PM   #32
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That's just great. There goes another $1,400 to replace the perfectly good tires on my truck with E rated.

Shame on Ford for saying that their F150 can pull 11,300 lbs and can hold 1,600 in the bed, only to come with crappy tires not designed to do so. At least that seams to be the consensus on here.
It can do both of those things on P tires, IMHO. The problem is when the load you are pulling is a giant sail (RV) that catches wind. Too much lateral force (sway) for the sidewalls to adequately handle. Also, Ford has to decide if they want a harsher ride that will tick off 97% of owners that use their trucks as grocery getters or put the softer P tires on that will tick off the 3% of us that need to change them. I think we see what they decided. Also, in my experience you lose ~2MPG when replacing the stock P tire with an LT with slightly more aggressive tread. Ford wants the MPG numbers as high as possible.
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You need a better hitch with integrated sway control and take the time to learn what it does and how to set it up correctly. This is not a problem with your tires or your truck. And by the way your F150 tow rating is based on towing a flatbed trailer full of bricks, not a travel trailer. Look in your owners manual about frontal area.
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Old 03-06-2014, 07:41 PM   #34
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Ok, now that many of the speculators who have never towed a TH have given their opinion, let me see if I can help you some since I have the exact same trailer and did pull with an older F150.

First of all, the tow ratings have been exaggerated for marketing purposes by most all of the manufacturers. There is no question that your Ecoboost engine has more than enough power and the tranny is very capable of towing the weight of your trailer. Where your problem lies is when you increase the cargo weight in the garage area above the first 800 lbs it starts to dance a little and your truck does not have a heavy duty enough suspension to suppress this action.

..So now, what can you do short of upgrading your truck?

The first thing I would do is to lower your Equalizer one hole as see if this makes any change in the handling. Often times with the nose slightly lower, you will make a big difference in the handling characteristics. It sure did with my F150. Remember, it is better to be slightly nose low than nose high. Even if you are exactly level, I would try this first.

Next, I would try adding some tongue weight on the front. Yes I know you will be getting closer to the payload rating of your truck but I think this will also help your situation greatly. You have a rack on the front where one can easily mount a toolbox or other heavy weight items. You might also consider adding a second battery. This will help with weight and additional boondocking power.

As mentioned by Old Coot, changing tires from P rated to Lt will make a big difference because of stiffer sidewalls. I had BFG all terrain C rated tires on my Ford.

And last would be to change from the factory shocks to heavy duty ones. This will stabilize your ride much more than air bags when towing a trailer. I used the Monroe heavy duties on my Ford.

I would try this things in the order written, starting with the least cost. I think you will be able to get a setup which will be a lot more comfortable for you if you follow these steps, however it will not ever handle like a heavier duty truck.

Good luck with your setup.
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Old 03-07-2014, 09:10 AM   #35
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Ok, now that many of the speculators who have never towed a TH have given their opinion, let me see if I can help you some since I have the exact same trailer and did pull with an older F150.

First of all, the tow ratings have been exaggerated for marketing purposes by most all of the manufacturers. There is no question that your Ecoboost engine has more than enough power and the tranny is very capable of towing the weight of your trailer. Where your problem lies is when you increase the cargo weight in the garage area above the first 800 lbs it starts to dance a little and your truck does not have a heavy duty enough suspension to suppress this action.

..So now, what can you do short of upgrading your truck?

The first thing I would do is to lower your Equalizer one hole as see if this makes any change in the handling. Often times with the nose slightly lower, you will make a big difference in the handling characteristics. It sure did with my F150. Remember, it is better to be slightly nose low than nose high. Even if you are exactly level, I would try this first.

Next, I would try adding some tongue weight on the front. Yes I know you will be getting closer to the payload rating of your truck but I think this will also help your situation greatly. You have a rack on the front where one can easily mount a toolbox or other heavy weight items. You might also consider adding a second battery. This will help with weight and additional boondocking power.

As mentioned by Old Coot, changing tires from P rated to Lt will make a big difference because of stiffer sidewalls. I had BFG all terrain C rated tires on my Ford.

And last would be to change from the factory shocks to heavy duty ones. This will stabilize your ride much more than air bags when towing a trailer. I used the Monroe heavy duties on my Ford.

I would try this things in the order written, starting with the least cost. I think you will be able to get a setup which will be a lot more comfortable for you if you follow these steps, however it will not ever handle like a heavier duty truck.

Good luck with your setup.
I concur with these steps. I also whole-heartedly agree that you are MUCH better off(and much safer) being over payload of the truck if that is required to cut down on sway. Other things I would consider are air bags (plumb them independently) and upgrading to the 4 point Equalizer. These options together are about $1K, so I'd try the others first.
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Old 03-08-2014, 10:09 AM   #36
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Ok, now that many of the speculators who have never towed a TH have given their opinion, let me see if I can help you some since I have the exact same trailer and did pull with an older F150.

First of all, the tow ratings have been exaggerated for marketing purposes by most all of the manufacturers. There is no question that your Ecoboost engine has more than enough power and the tranny is very capable of towing the weight of your trailer. Where your problem lies is when you increase the cargo weight in the garage area above the first 800 lbs it starts to dance a little and your truck does not have a heavy duty enough suspension to suppress this action.

..So now, what can you do short of upgrading your truck?

The first thing I would do is to lower your Equalizer one hole as see if this makes any change in the handling. Often times with the nose slightly lower, you will make a big difference in the handling characteristics. It sure did with my F150. Remember, it is better to be slightly nose low than nose high. Even if you are exactly level, I would try this first.

Next, I would try adding some tongue weight on the front. Yes I know you will be getting closer to the payload rating of your truck but I think this will also help your situation greatly. You have a rack on the front where one can easily mount a toolbox or other heavy weight items. You might also consider adding a second battery. This will help with weight and additional boondocking power.

As mentioned by Old Coot, changing tires from P rated to Lt will make a big difference because of stiffer sidewalls. I had BFG all terrain C rated tires on my Ford.

And last would be to change from the factory shocks to heavy duty ones. This will stabilize your ride much more than air bags when towing a trailer. I used the Monroe heavy duties on my Ford.

I would try this things in the order written, starting with the least cost. I think you will be able to get a setup which will be a lot more comfortable for you if you follow these steps, however it will not ever handle like a heavier duty truck.

Good luck with your setup.
I am one of the (speculators) that wonders why (Big Rigs) have Air bag suspension,when as you say they could just put on HD shocks? Youroo!!
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Old 03-08-2014, 10:22 AM   #37
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Get a Hensley or a pro-pride and you don't have any sway to worry about.
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A (Hensley) will cure the OP problem which is (Not enough TW)? When he adds the (2nd) Harley is when all Hell breaks loose! He is below (10%) TW and Shakes like a Dog passing Peach seeds! Youroo!!
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Old 03-08-2014, 08:35 PM   #39
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I am one of the (speculators) that wonders why (Big Rigs) have Air bag suspension,when as you say they could just put on HD shocks? Youroo!!
Shocks dampen on both compression and rebound...air bags do not dampen on the rebound.
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Old 03-08-2014, 08:49 PM   #40
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Until OP weighs his truck and trailer it's all guess work. You have to know what your weights are before you know how to fix it. Most dealers setup a WDH with no weight in the trailer (ie) brand new. When you put weight in it everything changes.

Airbags helped my truck with attitude and porposing. Two anti sway friction bars cured swaying. But then I don't tow at 80mph.

I know how much my Super Duty Diesel works to tow 12,000 lbs I can't imagine a half ton towing that much or 11,300 lbs...

When I saw the ToyotaTundra comercial towing the Space Shuttle I didn't really think it would tow a space shuttle.... Space Shuttle weighs in at 165,000 lbs that would be about 20,000 lbs of tongue weight! Point is manufactures inflate towing capacities to sell more half tons...

Once OP weighs in with both bikes in the back he will know what he has to do for safe towing..
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