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Old 01-19-2016, 03:42 PM   #21
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A loaded hauler is going to have a somewhat different pin weight than an empty one plus with a dry weight of 14500 and a gross weight of 21K the trailer will weigh somewhere in the middle hopefully..... The trucks max cap is stated to be 17,100 which will be close to maxing out the truck. Loaded overloading it. Let alone the trucks payload cap.
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Old 01-19-2016, 04:02 PM   #22
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No one can answer this question without the payload number from the door sticker.
x2 agree and the number needs to come from the specific vehicle you have or plan to get, not generic ones advertised and used for the sales flyers. My same truck as the OP has a payload of only 2214 on the certified label and that was a shocker for sure.
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Old 01-19-2016, 04:42 PM   #23
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Flybob, what is yours? I dont see a weight listed for the pin?
Sorry I missed your question the first time through these. The pin weight is part of the payload calculations. Payload is Cargo and includes- passengers, luggage, hitch, full fuel, pets, and anything else you plan to put in the TV cab or bed. The driver I discovered is not payload, up to 150lbs that is. You have to go the scale fully loaded with all the intended items above and then take the total of the steer and drive axles (which is gross TV weight) then subtract that from the listed GVWR. This will give you the adjusted max payload available to set a 5er on. So an example i.e. mine: 4920 steer, 3580 drive, total 8500lb gross. GVWR of my truck is 10,000 - 8500 = 1500lbs. This is my adjusted payload available with a fully loaded TV to use for 5er hitch weight.

Really sorry I didn't realize you had asked this question.
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Old 01-19-2016, 05:11 PM   #24
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Flybob, what is yours? I dont see a weight listed for the pin?
Per door sticker. Max combined weight of passengers and cargo is 2360#.
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Old 01-19-2016, 06:59 PM   #25
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No question, the XLR 420amp is a 3 axle 5er that requires a 1 ton to handle the loaded, ready-to-camp weights...
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That's just wrong on so many levels. Newer 3/4 tons are rated anywhere from 16-17000....
MightyMike, I don't appreciate your comments about my earlier post... I actually took time to look-up the data on GMC's website. I also have a CDL & have hauled/towed all kinds of stuff with 3/4 & 1 tons going back to 1985... The OP has a newer 2015 2500 w/Duramax, 4x4 crew cab, std bed & he wants to tow a 5er with an EMPTY pin weight of 2,647... GMC's websites states,
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FIFTH-WHEEL AND GOOSENECK HITCH NOTES: Trailer kingpin weight should be 15 percent to 25 percent of total loaded trailer, up to 2500 lbs. on single-rear-wheel [2500] models... [or] up to 4000 lbs. on 3500HD SRW models and 5500 lbs. on 3500HD DRW models... The addition of trailer kingpin weight cannot cause vehicle to exceed Rear Gross Axle Weight Rating (RGAWR) or Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR).
So he would be OVER on payload from day one and likely exceed 17,000 with family, gear, etc. Unlike flatbed work trailers hauling Kubotas, etc. a 40'+ 3 axle 5er has a HUGE surface area which can really push-around the softer rear-end of a 2500. Therefore a 3500 SRW is the minimum to be legal, but most folks that get this size 5er match it to a DRW...

Remember, we live in a legitious society. If the EMPTY numbers are OVER from day one and you are involved in a serious accident, not even your fault, some ambulance-chasing lawyer will be knocking on your door. The lawyer could just do an Internet search to show that your (empty) 5er numbers are over what your TV is rated to tow. In comparison, it would be difficult for them to prove loaded numbers are over...
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you can't call someone else wrong and state this. It has everything to do with numbers, not because one likes the look of dual wheel. My payload is 6500. More than double of the average 1/2 ton. Toy haulers of this size are dually material regardless of what or how you load it.
What does stating something is wrong have to do with an opinion???? And how in the world did you include 1/2 ton into anything I posted. Jeez, at least try to stay on topic. And a fact for you to follow, when I bought my dually I could have purchased a SRW with a V-10 that had same towing capacity. Multiple choice- gas /diesel, single/ dual, short bed/long bed. Personal choice on all of the above.

Rhino- sorry you were so offended, but having a CDL doesn't qualify you as being right. There are numerous truck configurations that can tow these toyhaulers. Your blanket statement that they all need to be towed by a 1 ton dually is wrong because it simply isn't true. And as far as the doom and gloom of our litigious society, can you show me some FACTS where this has happened? This is getting way off topic and wasn't meant to start a peeing match, but to answer the OP's original question. There simply isn't enough info supplied for anyone to give an accurate, truthful, fact based response. And my response was only regarding information that is incorrect.
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Old 01-20-2016, 06:32 AM   #27
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What does stating something is wrong have to do with an opinion???? And how in the world did you include 1/2 ton into anything I posted. Jeez, at least try to stay on topic. And a fact for you to follow, when I bought my dually I could have purchased a SRW with a V-10 that had same towing capacity. Multiple choice- gas /diesel, single/ dual, short bed/long bed. Personal choice on all of the above.

Rhino- sorry you were so offended, but having a CDL doesn't qualify you as being right. There are numerous truck configurations that can tow these toyhaulers. Your blanket statement that they all need to be towed by a 1 ton dually is wrong because it simply isn't true. And as far as the doom and gloom of our litigious society, can you show me some FACTS where this has happened? This is getting way off topic and wasn't meant to start a peeing match, but to answer the OP's original question. There simply isn't enough info supplied for anyone to give an accurate, truthful, fact based response. And my response was only regarding information that is incorrect.
I meant to say that a 6500 lb payload is double a 3/4 tons, not a 1/2 ton. Sorry for the confusion there. Payload is what most people go way over on first, not towing capacity. Payload is what you gain the most of when stepping up to a dually, and that's why a dually is picked over a SRW.

As far as the multiple remarks about putting more weight in rear of trailer to lower pin weight is absolutely foolish. Adding to an already high trailer weight to offset another. If you are that close to capacity, you need a bigger truck.
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Old 01-20-2016, 07:51 AM   #28
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To get back on topic, let's remember that the payload sticker and the manufacturer's "tow ratings" are nonsense. They only way to get your real payload is to weigh the truck wet and loaded ready for travel (family and gear in, hitch in the bed, full fuel, etc.) and subtract that number from the truck's GVWR. That gives you the actual payload available for pin weight. Maximum tow ratings are like GCWR. They are fabricated numbers made of fluff and fairy dust which not even the manufacturer can explain the origin of. The numbers to try and stay below are GVWR, GAWR, and tire ratings. From a legal standpoint, only GAWR and tire ratings are considered.
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2500. will check the sticker. I think it is 3500lbs
The payload for the 2500 is right a 2200-2300 lbs on a 2015 2500 HD
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