Wiring Diagram

[WolfWhistle]

Originally Posted by chpence1

OK so what about a wiring schematic. I realize that not every situation is simply a bad bulb. Why is it so painful to get the details of our build. Not everybody has a engineering degree in electronics and wouldn't necessarily understand it all but what about those of us that do?
It seems to me that the diagram should be included with the build and / or easily accessible via the web.... Hello it's 2015 and most modern platforms are pretty complex .....

There are no schematics, that's part of the fun!

[WolfWhistle]

Originally Posted by TURBS

I was thinking post 17 has some merit!

Yes it did, as well as #22 and the best, #25.

[chpence1]

I agree it's fun wasting time when there are many more important things to do.
What if the auto industry had this mentality. ...
Or the aircraft industry.
20 years ago I could accept this reasoning. Not in 2015.

[KyDan]

I agree with you that it's wrong to not have some sort of wiring diagram for us and RV repair people to use when troubleshooting.
Donno the answer. My new trailer came with a worthless "owners manual". It was dated on the front cover 2 years older than my model and referenced things that were not on my trailer.
I guess it's more like a house. You would be VERY lucky to get any sort
of wiring diagram with a new home. Same for a trailer or coach.
Not saying it's ok or right, it's just the way it is.

[WolfWhistle]

X2. They do include manuals on the appliances. They are much like a home in that regard.

[VinceU]

Maybe you should make it condition of sale on your next purchase. Some builders post almost complete electric and plumbing schematics on line, free!

[Mojojojo]

If the gave you a diagram then THEY would have to follow it. I'm sure the first and last for the day off the line won't have the wires all in the same spot. Just my $0.02

[chpence1]

Mojo I completely agree......
That's the truth.
I currently am contemplating why I have a 380 Amp.... The amplifier isn't hooked up to anything. ...... I refuse to be held hostage to the dealership. ....
All I'm saying is FR should take responsibility for its products. We're not talking about 1965 pop ups with 3 or 4 circuits.
I'm done. Over and Out.

[VinceU]

Originally Posted by Mojojojo

If the gave you a diagram then THEY would have to follow it. I'm sure the first and last for the day off the line won't have the wires all in the same spot. Just my $0.02

Please don't confuse a wiring schematic (design map) with an installation drawing (a instruction for routing, supporting, coloration etc. of wiring install). In the US every installation of power wiring must meet the guidelines of the N.E.C. code, period. They have approved drawings or they cannot deliver the goods to the customer. Its not a requirement to furnish the approved plans to the customer. All power consuming devices must meet
UL codes.

[chpence1]

Thanks VinceU !

[Mojojojo]

Originally Posted by VinceU

Please don't confuse a wiring schematic (design map) with an installation drawing (a instruction for routing, supporting, coloration etc. of wiring install). In the US every installation of power wiring must meet the guidelines of the N.E.C. code, period. They have approved drawings or they cannot deliver the goods to the customer. Its not a requirement to furnish the approved plans to the customer. All power consuming devices must meet
UL codes.

I'm betting a coke zero that the N.E.C CODES don't include staples threw the wires? I understand what the law says about it but if no one is checking exept the end user what does that tell you about QC. Just sayin

[WolfWhistle]

Originally Posted by Mojojojo

I'm betting a coke zero that the N.E.C CODES don't include staples threw the wires? I understand what the law says about it but if no one is checking exept the end user what does that tell you about QC. Just sayin

Maybe they did that to suppress high frequency current /noise... ever heard of the ferrite bead? It would have to be a very big, staple, but maybe that was what they were going for.

As a guy who has drilled, stapled, nailed into almost everything over the years, it is amazing there isn't more of that. The bad thing is that many times, the trouble doesn't show up right away.

A buddy of mine, drilled and ran wire through the glass in a closed glass sliding door. The homeowner couldn't close his door that night.

[Tx_Rider]

Haha,

A buddy mounted a fire extinguisher to the inside wall (gunwale) of his boat.

The screws looked nice from the outside, since they were stainless

Anyway, back on topic.

I have done a lot of modifications to various vehicles I have owned over the years and a wiring diagram/schematic really helped when tapping into a particular power source. Would be nice to have that with our RV's.

[chpence1]

If a simple wiring diagram was able to be accessed online based on prior registration and user acceptance to potential updates or variances. I would be very happy. Think about the time and frustration saved when your supposed to be enjoying your purchase, riding the bike, atv, canoe or sitting in the hot tub.....
Just saying, time is valuable.

[TURBS]

Originally Posted by Tx_Rider

Haha,

A buddy mounted a fire extinguisher to the inside wall (gunwale) of his boat.

The screws looked nice from the outside, since they were stainless

Now that's funny !

[WolfWhistle]

Originally Posted by Tx_Rider

Haha,

A buddy mounted a fire extinguisher to the inside wall (gunwale) of his boat.

The screws looked nice from the outside, since they were stainless

Anyway, back on topic.

I have done a lot of modifications to various vehicles I have owned over the years and a wiring diagram/schematic really helped when tapping into a particular power source. Would be nice to have that with our RV's.

Funny! I hope he painted them red so they weren't as noticable!

[chpence1]

I can see the value in hanging another fire extinguisher given the probability for fire in a wiring system that some would consider haphazard at best.

[chpence1]

I am considering moving the non connected amplifier from the front storage bay to the garage where I am considering mounting two 300 watt speakers in the wall that on the backside has the loft..... When the grand kids are with us we wouldn't utilize the added sound directed out towards the deck. I figure the added amplification would come in handy when we are camping on turn one at Daytona.
I'm still perplexed at why all the seemingly strategically placed speakers in the main cabin are not connected to a system that distributes surround sound. And why the two outside speakers, on the slide out, are wired as if they were mounted in the rear of an automobile. ...
Our former platform, a FR Sabre, had surround sound in the main cabin and the ability to direct the sound to the outside (on / off ) the bedroom (on /off) via three channel switch positions.
Anyway I figure I can rewire the speakers to separate the outside from the main cabin and then wire those to the rear garage sound system with possible amplifier.

[chpence1]

What do you think?

[chpence1]

Don't get me wrong. I love the whole toy hauler concept. ... But really. ... .