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Old 02-23-2012, 09:35 AM   #31
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That's def the way to go for sure...I tried the whole car / truck thing...I'm just not right driving a car though...I'm good in a truck so that's just me being stubborned but oh we'll.....hehehe

If I could get over myself yes small car/ diesel truck for towing absolutely.
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Old 02-23-2012, 09:42 AM   #32
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Many years ago, I was on vaction with my folks in a rented TT. We had towed this 22' TT from the North of England down to the South coast behing a 1938 Austin 12, which had drum brakes all round and a 4-cylinder 1.8L L-head engine than pout out maybe 50 horsepower on a good day.

A young family showed up at the CG we were staying at. The husband had got a job at a refinery in the Southampton area and the had moved from the north coast of Scotland. They owned a 36' mobile home and had towed it all the way (about 600 miles) behind a 1950 Morris Minor. The old dog had a 950cc L-head engine, putting out maybe 25 hp.

When I see some of the cautions on here about not getting too much trailer for your TV to handle, I have to laugh. Recently, one of the main magazines covering UK RV activities listed it's "Best Tow Vehicles" for 2011. For a 2700 pound trailer, they listed the Ford Focus. For a 3500 pounder, their choice was a VW Passat diesel and they figured the Land Rover Discovery diesel could handle a 6000 pound trailer.

My uncle used to tow a 2800 pound trailer all over Europe with an Austin Cambridge sedan, which had a 1500 cc motor that developed maybe 50 horsepower on a good day. They went to Switzerland and Germany frequently (and rather slowly!) and the Austin never developed any diseases that could be related to its towing duties.

The weight "police" in this country are full of a well known barnyard exhaust emission.

I'm sure my 23 hp John Deere lawmower can pull my 5200lb dry weight TT a ways but is it safe? No. I lived in England for 6 months so you can't say "have you ever been there before." The road system isn't even in the same ball park as in the States. Roads are very narrow and need you smaller/narrower TT's and TV's there. Weather is also a big factor in the States. We deal with more "extremes" here. Not to mention the landscape. We have very big mountains and hills. No way would I be caught dead pulling a 3500lb TT on I80 in Western Wyoming/Eastern Utah with a VW passat with 3 kids in tow.
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Old 02-24-2012, 12:23 PM   #33
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Payload on the 1/2 ton ram outdoorsman is a little over 1400 lbs...with the hitch weight of the 38bhs at approx 800... That leaves plenty of room for error and cargo in the truck.
A 2500 bumps your payload up to 2000 lbs...
Are you sure about that hitch weight? If you have the Lacrosse 318, 800 lbs is dry hitch weight (no batteries or propane). You are probably closer to 1100 lbs (guessing) hitch weight. Not accusing you of being over weight but might want to get it weighed if you have not done so.
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Old 02-24-2012, 04:38 PM   #34
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Yeah, I knew that was the dry wright. a friend of mine with the same setup was measured a little over 900 loaded...i was just trying to show that there was still plenty of room if the actual hitch weight was even higher than that. Guess i should have explained it a little clearer, no biggie.
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Old 02-24-2012, 09:46 PM   #35
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Evidently the weight police moved from RV.net to here....Some people believe that you need a F450 to tow a pop-up to be safe. I have towed my trailer more than 2000 miles...over the Appalachians, across long bridges with gusty winds...anyone that says that you can not do it safely is full of stuff that make the posies grow pretty. I have personal experience not speculation.
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Old 02-25-2012, 09:40 PM   #36
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Don't get hung up on the price at the pump, do the math! And as for towing anything--there's no substitute for diesel torque. My 2500 CTD gets 19-21 MPG empty, not bad for a 7000# truck.
The problem is, those days are over. The new 6.7L Cummins is lucky to get 15MPG and you're looking at a price approaching $50K for a well configured new one. Great torque obviously, but for those of us who tow 10-15 times/year and use the truck as a daily driver, the math you suggested that we do just doesn't add up. I can get a new F250 with the 6.2L gas engine for under $40K. 14MPG, over 400lbs of torque, and a savings of (easily) $10-15K along with a less expensive to maintain engine has leveled the diesel vs. gas playing field.

And for the record, now that the F150 can be orderd with an HD package that includes a payload of 2300lbs, there's no reason to feel "unsafe" hauling most trailers weighing under 10,000lbs. Given that the Ecoboost gets a legitimate 18MPG when empty, be prepared to see a lot more of them at your local campground.
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Old 02-25-2012, 11:16 PM   #37
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2 short weeks and I'll have some first hand results for ya bobby with the same model camper...
I know I'm excited...more about picking up the new camper though
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Old 02-26-2012, 03:39 AM   #38
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the F150 can be orderd with an HD package that includes a payload of 2300lbs
The HD F150 would likely be a good companion to your Lacrosse, especially the long wheelbase model. Although carrying the F150 badge, to refer to the HD F150 as half-ton (in the traditional sense) would be a stretch. It is practically a 3/4 ton.

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Old 03-05-2012, 12:01 AM   #39
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I agree with padave65 I originally looked at the Passport Model 3220BH mainly because it was pulled on another forum by the same TV I own and I kept hearing over and over the same weight police I actually tested and pulled a Passport 3220BH than my wife saw the 318BHS Touring which is even heavier than the standard 318BHS and it turns out after demoing the 318 it towed way better than the Passport.

Now is this the perfect tow package absolutely not and we plan to eventually upgrade the Expy for a new one with ecoboost but for now we have not had one issue or scare etc etc etc it towes like a champ.

My recommendation now when I see the Tow Police shooting down people and it is not obvious that it is to much trailer for the TV is to just tow the actual trailer to see so it feels.
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Old 03-05-2012, 12:11 AM   #40
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I was at the big rv show today here in upstate ny..talked to several owners of the 318bhs..both standard and TE ...who tow theirs with half ton pickups ...2 dodges and a few fords...all had great things to say on the way it tows...I'll find out for myself next week..
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