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Old 03-09-2018, 06:59 PM   #1
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Crusader build quality???

Question is when did PT down grade the quality of the Crusader line? We recently bought a PT Crusader 355BHQ 2012 and plan to use mainly as our "cabin" on the NWFL bay lot. I'm thinking of selling the motorhome and rgoing back to a fifth wheel for our travels. This past week went to a dealer in NWFL and looked at a couple of Crusader models. Frankly I was very underwhelmed. Build quality and amenities were much lower quality than the 2012 we have. Kitchen counters were a poor attempt to mimic granite or marble, bedroom dresser tops a vinyl or paper wrap attempting to look like the kitchen. Lots of paper wrap over "wood products" in the kitchen, probably all cabinets. Little real wood in the framing of the cabinets. Plastic kitchen faucet. Very disappointing experience.

So the question is when did PT decide to dumb down a Crusader in favor of a quality build. If this is what a recent build is like, the PT line is off the list. Sanibel is heavier than I want to go and longer too. Want to keep my traveling 5th wheel at around 35+-.
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Old 03-11-2018, 09:48 AM   #2
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I believe build materials changed when the RV industry took off and more and more folks wanted to pull larger rigs with smaller lighter tow vehicles requiring the builders to use lighter materials like plastics to accomplish this. Example is the toilet it used to be common to get a porcelain toilet now many are plastic to save weight.
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We went to the Chicago rv show a couple of weeks ago. Although Im not really interested in the Crusader or prime time at this time. I do have to check out the Lacrosse's as I own a 2014.
We dont like the new lacrosse's as much as we like our's. Seems cheaper of build quality and didn't care for the layouts of the one's at the show.
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It seems a common comment that models a few years ago were better built than current models. I imagine there isn't a common date that the bean counters got together and decided to dumb down the quality of RVs. But it's obvious to me at least that there is a difference in build quality in the PT Crusader line from 5-6 years ago. In materials alone a difference.

The comment about desire to get lighter weight trailers to attract the "half ton crowd" is evident. When we were looking for a bunk house RV we ran across a Wildwood Heritage Glen that was 42' long and weighed about a 1000 pounds less than the 39' Crusader. That's UVW. I can imagine the flimsy materials used in it. But I bet when new it shined and Forest River made it glitzy. I guess interior designers are cheaper than structural engineers to hire and maintain.
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Old 03-13-2018, 10:22 AM   #5
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Our 2016 Crusaders quality is about average & thatís fine for us as quality in the RV industry is not something thatís really emphasized. We like the solid surface counter tops, sealed edge membrane counter in bathroom & dinging table, all laminated walls & slides, large shower, true queen bed, preclean foot flush toilet, 16Ē tires, bunk room with door, outside kitchen, Dexter rubber suspension, 8900LBS & 1390 pin weight of our 296BHS 5th wheel.

Overall the only real issue has been the auto leveling 2.0 system thatís super basic (works 50% of the time), we have the dreaded slide edge tearing issue (common with Forest River) its been fixed with the plastic corners installed hope it lasts.
In 2 years of ownership we replaced the china bomb tires, pin pox not necessary but well worth the investment, replaced the kitchen faucet removed the plastic piece of junk, fixed the electrical panel that was falling off the wall, Darco on the roof routine stuff, just replaced the mattress with a Tuff & Needle queen fits great much better now.
Overall Prime Timeís newer offerings are on par with the industry. If you look at Keystone in the same class/price point you get hung fiberglass rear walls, slide walls are not bonded, no solid surface counter tops, very low end feel if you look at them for the same price. Plastic faucets are all too common as are wallpaper accents. We were at the Florida RV super show 1600 RVís Prime Time is better than most but not the best.

Personally, if I were buying today, it would be a Jayco Eagle HT or a North Point like what Jayco is doing, 2-year full warranty, published real-world testing just to name a few. However, Iím not buying today so I will live with our 2016 Crusader fixing what I can on my own & keep trucking along & be upgrading as we go along (take a look at our new steps & box) soo much better.
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Not just RV's. There is not much real wood in homes either. It is amazing how thin they can cut veneer and there are a lot of kitchen cabinets, mouldings and picture frames that are wrapped.
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Question is when did PT down grade the quality of the Crusader line? We recently bought a PT Crusader 355BHQ 2012 and plan to use mainly as our "cabin" on the NWFL bay lot. I'm thinking of selling the motorhome and rgoing back to a fifth wheel for our travels. This past week went to a dealer in NWFL and looked at a couple of Crusader models. Frankly I was very underwhelmed. Build quality and amenities were much lower quality than the 2012 we have. Kitchen counters were a poor attempt to mimic granite or marble, bedroom dresser tops a vinyl or paper wrap attempting to look like the kitchen. Lots of paper wrap over "wood products" in the kitchen, probably all cabinets. Little real wood in the framing of the cabinets. Plastic kitchen faucet. Very disappointing experience.



So the question is when did PT decide to dumb down a Crusader in favor of a quality build. If this is what a recent build is like, the PT line is off the list. Sanibel is heavier than I want to go and longer too. Want to keep my traveling 5th wheel at around 35+-.


I have wondered the same thing. Wife and I purchased a new Crusader 2012 320 RLT and reluctantly( mistakenly) traded it for a 2016 35RST model, because of the theater seats etc. Slightly smaller coach but no here near the build quality of our first Crusader. What a shame , as this new one was quite expensive and not built to last.
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Question is when did PT down grade the quality of the Crusader line? We recently bought a PT Crusader 355BHQ 2012 and plan to use mainly as our "cabin" on the NWFL bay lot. I'm thinking of selling the motorhome and rgoing back to a fifth wheel for our travels. This past week went to a dealer in NWFL and looked at a couple of Crusader models. Frankly I was very underwhelmed. Build quality and amenities were much lower quality than the 2012 we have. Kitchen counters were a poor attempt to mimic granite or marble, bedroom dresser tops a vinyl or paper wrap attempting to look like the kitchen. Lots of paper wrap over "wood products" in the kitchen, probably all cabinets. Little real wood in the framing of the cabinets. Plastic kitchen faucet. Very disappointing experience.

So the question is when did PT decide to dumb down a Crusader in favor of a quality build. If this is what a recent build is like, the PT line is off the list. Sanibel is heavier than I want to go and longer too. Want to keep my traveling 5th wheel at around 35+-.
Hey Chunker,

You didn't say but were you looking at the Crusader or Crusader Lite models? I could imagine in any of the Lite models you're going notice a difference regardless of brand.
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@emsoglo, did you install the new steps (and tool box I see) or have it done. If dyi how difficult?
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Old 03-16-2018, 07:45 PM   #10
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We really like our Crusader, BUT, we will not buy another FR product. Front cap faded, slide wear, cheap couch is peeling, fireplace never worked on auto setting, tire problem, after that I noticed that the tires were out dated when we bought it, surprisingly FR bought us 4 tires, i am still convinced that we have a frame flex issue, the right side moves too much hooked up vs unhooked. FR just refused to do anything to help us out under warranty. “Its not a problem” they say, “You’re the only one having these issues” they say. Not sure why some people get such great warranty work out of them and then they pretty much piss off to others. Our next one will most likely be a Jayco or Grand Design, i got a good friend with a GD and the help from them is overwhelming.
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