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Old 10-29-2012, 04:30 PM   #41
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I can't find an centrifuge's guess Iran has them all.
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Old 10-29-2012, 08:36 PM   #42
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I take it that's the Jeep Liberty? Do you know who makes that engine? And while I'm being noseywhat kind of mileage are you getting? empty and towing
The maker of the engine is VM Motori. Their names is big in Europe like Cummins is here. Gale banks is experimenting with a 3.0 V6 version.

With the Green Diesel Engineering Ecotune, I am getting 30 to 35 mpg. As for towing, I never bothered. On a 20 gal tank, I can go from RI/SE Mass to the first Pilot station on 78 in NJ.

One reason why I don't do MPG tests is because the odometer and speedometer in these are know to be off... And in opposite directions. All MPG calculations have to be adjusted.
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30-35 ain't too shabby! Turbo?
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Old 10-29-2012, 09:06 PM   #44
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30-35 ain't too shabby! Turbo?
Yes. The one thing I wish it had was lockout hubs. Kinda sucks that the whole front drive train is always spinning.
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:20 PM   #45
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didnt know they put 4 cyl in libertys. thought they were all 3.0 v6s, even when they had diesels.
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didnt know they put 4 cyl in libertys. thought they were all 3.0 v6s, even when they had diesels.
The gassers are mostly 3.7l V6 and they did have some 2.4l gassers. The early diesel Cherokees (exported Liberties) had 2.5 Turbo Diesels. Then they got the 2.8 turbo diesels. The Exports continues to get the diesels while the EPA screwed us over.

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Old 10-29-2012, 10:58 PM   #47
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the EPA screwed us over.

what else is new? going by time/date stamp and your location, you seem to be weathering the storm rather well. apparently NOT 1 of the approx 3 million folks without power

a wrangler with diesel power would make chrysler a ton of money. 1st gear and 4 lo.... what hill/obstacle?
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the EPA screwed us over.

what else is new? going by time/date stamp and your location, you seem to be weathering the storm rather well. apparently NOT 1 of the approx 3 million folks without power

a wrangler with diesel power would make chrysler a ton of money. 1st gear and 4 lo.... what hill/obstacle?
No power here. Wide awake in the dark with my cell. Generator is off for the night. I am not the jerk who keeps my neighbors up all night.

As for the diesels, I am cautiously optimistic about the 2014s. The only sure thing sounds like the Grand Cherokee. And it may have an 8 speed ZF transmission.
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OK now this may help.
I pay $3.619 per gallon of regular gas here in Arizona.
Diesel is running $4.019 which comes to a 40 cent more per gallon.

Now for diesels to break even they must get at least 10% better gas mileage than a gas.

So if I get 12 mpg pulling my 5th wheel with my gas engine the diesel must get at least 13.2 mpg pulling the same weight to break even.

Now look at the extra ost of the diesel to the gas engine. Typically $10,000 more.

So how many more miles can I drive my gas engine with $10,000?
At $3.619 I have 2,763 gallon of fuel that I can buy.
With that I can pull my trailer 33,156 more miles.

So this is why I bought a 6.2L gasser truck
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OK now this may help.
I pay $3.619 per gallon of regular gas here in Arizona.
Diesel is running $4.019 which comes to a 40 cent more per gallon.

Now for diesels to break even they must get at least 10% better gas mileage than a gas.

So if I get 12 mpg pulling my 5th wheel with my gas engine the diesel must get at least 13.2 mpg pulling the same weight to break even.

Now look at the extra ost of the diesel to the gas engine. Typically $10,000 more.

So how many more miles can I drive my gas engine with $10,000?
At $3.619 I have 2,763 gallon of fuel that I can buy.
With that I can pull my trailer 33,156 more miles.

So this is why I bought a 6.2L gasser truck
John, when you trade your diesel in you get it back on the trade in value, the only cost you should be concerned with in your calculation is the "opportunity cost" the interest you could have had by having the 10000 in the bank or wherever, say 3% of 10000 is $300 in a year. So when you compare cost of fuel to say 2 15000mile scenarios just add $300 to the diesel cost then compare.

This does not take into account different depreciation values of a gasser versus a diesel.
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