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Old 06-05-2015, 07:25 AM   #11
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And despite what PrimeTime's website says my CCC is, the yellow sticker as weighed from the factory attached to my trailer is as follows:

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I'd contact prime time and double check.
Another member here bought a brand new Sabre with a grossly inaccurate sticker and they said they made a mistake.
I'm not sure if he got the new sticker yet or not.


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Old 06-05-2015, 07:42 AM   #12
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They do make mistakes, when I was trailer shopping (not an FR trailer) the yellow sticker had a weight much lower than the UVW on the web sight. The dealer called the factory and the sticker on the unit was wrong.
If the axles really are 2800 lbs then the CCC for his trailer could be correct. Going by the web-sight number it looks like it should have 3500 lbs axles.
What year is your trailer? I know the vibe 6500 line was made with 3500 lbs axles for a could of years then they put 4400 lbs. I am guessing because people complained about the low CCC on some of the models.
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Never a good idea to post your VIN in an open forum.

According to your sticker, the GVWR of your camper is 5935 pounds with an available payload of 951 pounds of gear and water.

It does not matter if the axles or tires can support more, the frame or the wall construction may be what limits the total weight.

That being said, I would contact the MFR with your VIN and CONFIRM what the GVWR of your model is supposed to be and if radically different than your Yellow Sticker, request a new one.

You exceed the Yellow Sticker at your, (and who ever shares the road with you), peril.
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Old 06-07-2015, 09:02 PM   #14
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And despite what PrimeTime's website says my CCC is, the yellow sticker as weighed from the factory attached to my trailer is as follows:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p2br7eyyz0...09.40.jpg?dl=0
This is interesting because I am actually going through this right now with my 250 Air and had the same general concerns. I have actually written a letter to PT and Dexter regarding this. I posted my concerns here a while back.

When I had my new TT in for regular bearing greasing this spring my service manager pointed out the axle ratings as well as the fact that the 250 only has 10x1.5 brakes as well. He found both undersized for this size TT. Yes its an ultralight but still can be 6000k loaded. Kicker is he had a 2015 215 Air in the same day with 10x2.25 brakes.

There is no rhyme or reason to this. I am looking at it from a pure safety margin. I travel with my family and do some long trips and want the best equipment. I can deal with ultralight construction and in fact love my TT but please don't save money on axles and brakes. I plan to keep pursuing this up the line although honestly don't have much hope it will be fixed.

In terms of upgrading axles it is not a direct swap to the 3500 as the spring hangers will not line up. So we shall see.
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Old 06-07-2015, 10:00 PM   #15
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I'll be interested to hear if anything comes of it. I towed mine 2 hours up through winding twisting mountain roads loaded for dry camping (full water tank) this weekend. I agree the brakes are also too small though. I'm 90% certain I was overloaded for my drive up there as it seems everything and the kitchen sink travel with my family of 5 when we camp. We've been doing it with numerous trailers for several years and have accumulated lots of camping gear and gadgets that really add up, filling every nook and cranny. The front basement storage is quite large, mine is mostly occupied with a three burner camp chef, zero gravity chairs, and life jackets.
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We honestly pack as light as we can and never haul water. PT has been good to me and I'm on 2 Tracers now. Overall I have had no major issues and just small craftsmanship things that come with an Ultralight TT. We did almost 5000 miles last year. I am OCD with maintenance and taking care of my stuff so it just disappointments me that they would put the same size brakes on this as my utility trailer. If it works out great but otherwise I will switch out the hubs next year for larger brakes.
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Does some weight on tougue add to the overall cap? It should.
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Old 06-08-2015, 09:12 AM   #18
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Does some weight on tougue add to the overall cap? It should.
According to Dexter TW is subtracted from UVW. Even so with a WD hitch you still transfer some of that weight back to the TT.
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Does some weight on tougue add to the overall cap? It should.
When you say "cap" I am assuming you mean payload. If that is correct, the answer is no.

The GVWR of the trailer is the lowest weight rating of the "critical component" used to build the trailer and has nothing to do with TW; just total weight regardless of where carried or supported (wheels or tongue).

While it is remotely possible on your camper for the selected tires or the axle "to be that component", it is FAR more likely to be the frame; followed by wall construction and wall "openings".

Overloaded frames flex at every road bump causing frame cracks and cracks at the corners of the laminated side wall panel penetrations (slides, windows, and doors).

Higher GVWR rated campers not only have heavier axles and tires, but have heavier duty frames and contain more aluminum tubing in the "studding" and boxing of the laminated walls and ceilings.

Just upgrading your axles and tires will do nothing to change the payload available. If you need more, you need a different camper.

As to weight distribution hitches and the transferred weight, GVWR is determined with the WD hitch in its "unloaded" configuration (all camper wheels plus tongue weight). You must also weight again with the WD connected JUST TO MAKE SURE the axle and tire ratings are not exceeded with the redistributed tongue load.

If your camper is below its GVWR with the bars/chains unhooked, and exceeds the weight rating with enough WD to make your truck level, you have the wrong truck trying to carry that camper's tongue load.
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Well said and I agree. I will not run near my max weight and have set up my WD hitch and weighed in at a CAT scale. Like the OP I still have issues with axles rated right to max capacity of our unit along with the brilliant idea to put 10x1.5 brakes on this unit which I find just downright cheap.
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