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Old 06-08-2015, 10:41 AM   #21
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Well said and I agree. I will not run near my max weight and have set up my WD hitch and weighed in at a CAT scale. Like the OP I still have issues with axles rated right to max capacity of our unit along with the brilliant idea to put 10x1.5 brakes on this unit which I find just downright cheap.
Installed axles and tires are rated to be in excess of requirement at the stated GVWR less the minimum safe amount to be carried by the towing vehicle (as tongue weight or Pin Weight).

For travel trailers, the minimum safe tongue weight is 10% of total camper weight and for a 5th Wheel the minimum safe pin weight is 15% of total camper weight.

For a 10,000 pound camper:

Travel trailer (10%) the tongue will have a minimum of 1000 pounds and the camper axles will carry the other 9,000. They could then install 2 - 4,5000 pound axles and be safe.

5,000 pound axles could be used but are overkill since the above example is "worst possible case" and the weight ratio is supposed to be 12% (plus or minus 1%) or 1200 pounds. Leaving 8800 pounds on the 2 axles (4,400 each)

For a 10,000 pound 5th wheel (15%), the pin weight will be a minimum of 1500 pounds and the remaining 8500 will be on the axles or 4250 each. 4,500 axles will still be fine.

At the optimum WD for a 5th wheel, 20% (plus or minus 3%), the 4500 pound axles would still have lots of room at 4000 pounds each.
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Old 06-08-2015, 10:58 AM   #22
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I thought the LP was included. FR updated the site to say "UVW (Unloaded Vehicle Weight)* – the typical weight of the unit as manufactured at the factory. It includes all weight at the unit’s axle(s) and tongue or pin and LP Gas. The UVW does not include cargo, fresh potable water, additional optional equipment or dealer installed accessories."

The only caveat would be that the LP weight would be whatever the way it came from the factory. Mine came with duals 20s and the dealer upgraded to dual 30s. So I would have to factor in the difference between 20s to 30s.

Is this not correct? Also, I guess this only applies to 2015 and newer models since the verbiage was just updated this year?
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Old 06-08-2015, 11:33 AM   #23
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I thought the LP was included. FR updated the site to say "UVW (Unloaded Vehicle Weight)* – the typical weight of the unit as manufactured at the factory. It includes all weight at the unit’s axle(s) and tongue or pin and LP Gas. The UVW does not include cargo, fresh potable water, additional optional equipment or dealer installed accessories."

The only caveat would be that the LP weight would be whatever the way it came from the factory. Mine came with duals 20s and the dealer upgraded to dual 30s. So I would have to factor in the difference between 20s to 30s.

Is this not correct? Also, I guess this only applies to 2015 and newer models since the verbiage was just updated this year?
Unless something has changed, the factory does not ship units with propane.
Only assumption I could make is they just mean the tanks?
I'm going to ask gary.


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Old 06-08-2015, 11:37 AM   #24
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Unless something has changed, the factory does not ship units with propane.
Only assumption I could make is they just mean the tanks?
I'm going to ask gary.
I thought the same but then I saw the definition of UVW from FR website and I was trying to interpret the meaning, the only thing I could think of is they just do it with empty tanks, or they add in the weight for full tanks.
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Old 06-08-2015, 11:42 AM   #25
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I thought the same but then I saw the definition of UVW from FR website and I was trying to interpret the meaning, the only thing I could think of is they just do it with empty tanks, or they add in the weight for full tanks.
I sent in a request to see.

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I thought the same but then I saw the definition of UVW from FR website and I was trying to interpret the meaning, the only thing I could think of is they just do it with empty tanks, or they add in the weight for full tanks.
sabre replied back with they ship units with tanks but no propane.

Sabres definition also states the same wording as you posted "weight including propane" which evidently inaccurate.

I'm going to reply that there definition is incorrect.



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Old 06-11-2015, 08:51 PM   #27
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Thanks for the clarification. I would assume all the trailers are this way including my TT. The definition didn't go in the website till after February. It wasn't there in Feb because I researched mine for months but when I went and looked the other day that definition was on all the TTs.
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