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Old 09-08-2013, 02:37 PM   #81
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Please keep us posted on how that works. CorrPlast will compress because it is honeycombed and I doubt that contact cement will cause it to stick.
I dont think the core plastic is the answer for the prime time slide problem that this thread refers too. I also have a sign biz, and I use core plastic for that and found many other uses for it. So I can say with no doubt its not the fix! It will wear , tear , crush and bunch.

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Old 09-08-2013, 02:46 PM   #82
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...but with a manufacturing and engineering background a lot of what occurs in the RV business leaves me wondering... Why?!?
Cause the bean counters say so. If we let engineers build everything as it could be built, stuff would last way too long.

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You make a good point about engineered wood. I have so far resisted the urge to cut a small hole in the barrier on mine to see if it is MDF. I suspect it is because of the way screws go in.

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Old 09-08-2013, 05:32 PM   #84
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Cause the bean counters say so. If we let engineers build everything as it could be built, stuff would last way too long.
Ha! No doubt why they made me diversify and become a manager in manufacturing. There is a fine line between cost and engineering - but to reduce costs requires to prudently test your concept. In the RV business the test subjects are $20-150k units folks like to vacation in!
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Old 09-08-2013, 05:34 PM   #85
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You make a good point about engineered wood. I have so far resisted the urge to cut a small hole in the barrier on mine to see if it is MDF. I suspect it is because of the way screws go in.
Cedar Creek and a few others tried engineered wood with little success when left exposed - it resulted in the edges swelling, pulling through the fasteners, and ultimately slide floor failure.
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:06 AM   #86
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Any word yet on a fix from PT?
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Old 09-14-2013, 10:18 AM   #87
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Will be taking our 295rst in to the dealer in two weeks. Should be interesting on what they say about the under slide wear. Only been out 3 times (2013) nothing should wear that quickly

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Old 09-15-2013, 07:37 PM   #88
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I wanted to address some aspects of this situation as it certainly is generating a lot of attention.

Essentially, there are three different types of slide floors that we use at Prime Time and all of them are being lumped into the same conversation on this thread.

1) Darco wrapped - This design is primarily used on Crusader and Sanibel sofa/dinette superslides. Basically, we wrap and glue the underside of the wood floor in a breathable, durable fabric that provides protection to the underside of the floor. This material is commonly called Darco. A huge percentage of the industry uses this application. It's lightweight and durable, but does have a tendency to tear and rip. This is a one-piece type of application that will NOT have the tape edges that are fraying in some of the above posts. For our first couple of years, we used Darco wrapped slides on all of our superslide floors, but we have transitioned away from this design in our travel trailers and will eventually transition away from this design on fifth wheels, too.

We do experience warranty claims on this material, but at this point, we don't think the Darco-wrapped floors are showing excessive wear as it pertains to this thread. The claims we receive on Darco are for tears and rips.

2) Pre-Engineered Board - Most of our travel trailers use a Pre-Engineered Slide Floor for their sofa/dinette superslides. This is basically a board that we buy pre-cut that already has a sealant applied to the bottom and edges. The benefit to this application is that the applied sealant is much more durable than the Darco and eliminates warranty from tears and rips. Even though this Pre-Engineered Board does have sealant applied to the edges and is fully warranted as it comes to us, we have chosen to apply an extra measure of protection for the edges in the form of Darco tape. This is a product very similar to what is used in application 1 above, but it has an adhesive applied on one side. This tape is what is fraying in many of the pictures above.

We feel strongly that the extra layer of protection afforded by the Darco tape on the edges is beneficial. Obviously, having it fray and look like it does in some of the photos is NOT desirable. We are looking at different tapes and different methods of wrapping the tape to eliminate the fraying causing by the friction. What we are recommending at this point, is to trim the tape flush with the slide floor edge so that you will retain the extra layer of moisture protection and eliminate the excess on the bottom that is fraying. Keep in mind, the edge is sealed and warranted without the tape. It does not have to be there - we just like the added protection.

This type of Pre-Engineered board is likely being used when one of the "L" shaped pieces of plastic molding is applied on the edges of the floor. This was referenced several times in previous posts on this topic. We DO NOT recommend this molding as a cap. It has the potential to dig into your carpet and linoleum.

3) Laminated - Most of our Kitchen slides in all brands are made in-house using laminated construction due to the increased weight loads. With a laminated floor, the bottom exterior layer is a product called FloorBrace. FloorBrace is comprised of multiple layers of cross-weaved polyester fibers designed to breath yet provide moisture protection. Adding the laminated layer of FloorBrace increases the strength of the floor as well. The inner layers of FloorBrace are white. The manufacturer has applied a cosmetic layer of black material on the outside simply because leaving it white makes no sense in any applications in our industry. In order to seal the edges of these laminated floors, we apply Darco tape. Again, this is what can be seen fraying in several of the pictures.

The Darco tape can NOT be totally removed from the edge of a laminated floor (like you can on the Pre Engineered Board) as it provides the primary moisture barrier. However, it can be trimmed back to be flush with the floor edge which will eliminate the fraying aspect.

The wearing of the black top coat on the FloorBrace seems to be the biggest issue outside of the fraying tape. We don't have any conclusive answers on this yet. Samples have been sent to the manufacturer and they are actually flying in to see us this week from Seattle for more conversations. We will keep you updated on what we find.
I finally had a chance to look at the bottom of all 3 slides on our 3600 Sanibel. The bedroom slide has the Schwintek slide with 4 rollers and the Darco wrap and NO tape. This has no visual damage to the Darco wrap.
The dining slide has the same Darco wrap with NO tape. It is fraying on the edges and in the middle. Looking at this slide I find NO rollers. The side edge is dragged on the Darco wrap over a black nylon(?) curved blocks attached to the floor at the edges and middle of the slide.
The kitchen slide has the Darco wrap and tape on the bottom near the rack gear. The front tape has pealed back. (I trimmed it off.) The wrap is fraying and turning white. (This wrap looks to me like a teflon tape weave.) This slide also has NO rollers and is dragged on a full length strip of black nylon(?) curved block (looks like a speed bump). Any amount of dirt on the block or the Darco wrap is going to cause damage to the wrap.
In my opinion, I think 4, thin, flat teflon skid plates are needed under the dining room and the kitchen slides to stop the damage to the wrap.
Our unit is on a seasonal site. The slides are used 2 times a month to prevent corrosion to the rams. At this rate, the wrap will be gone is 3 years.
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That was my thought on the repair but I was going to use nylon strips(5 under the dining room slide and 3 under the bunkhouse slide)12" w x however long x .093"(3/32") thick fastened with adhesive and some mechanical fasteners(screws) but I just wonder how the strip under the slide will hold up to the nylon? and if that becomes a problem I was thinking of adding some type of material on top of the strip that can be replaced if needed without a lot of trouble.
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Old 09-16-2013, 11:08 AM   #90
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I have to wonder if rollers are the answer. It seems to me that the Schwintek slides are not wearing. Now I realize they are much smaller, but there are rollers on those slides.

I have yet to bring my unit in to my dealer, but I will do so in the next few weeks and I hope a plan is devised before then. In my case PT believes there is another cause for the extreme wear, but I am seeing wear in other areas.

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