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Old 03-06-2014, 05:42 PM   #11
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They are possibly quoting the yellow sticker cargo carrying capacity which is specific to that unit on the lot. This is the best number to go by because it tells you what that one really has available to it.



Re: the fresh water - do the Ontario parks have fresh water that you can fill up on your way in? Or are you traveling from home with it? If you're coming from home, 33 gallons is 265 pounds.

The larger gray tank means you could refill your fresh water while camping without having to go the dump station, fill a blue tote or get pumped out (depending on your options). The assumption is, it's easier to add more fresh water than it is to offload gray/black waters.
Actually, I'm not sure about availability on the way into the park. Never had to know that since we have always tented. I would have to look into that. But not sure how feasible that would be. If we loaded the trailer, then filled the tank at the park, I would be leary of going over the CCC even for the short distance to our site. And it wouldn't make sense to go to the site, unload stuff, then go get water then go back and park it and load up again. Thank you for the info on the weight of the water...it certainly takes away a big chunk of the cargo capacity.
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Old 03-06-2014, 06:10 PM   #12
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as was said, most trailers with a GVWR around 3500lbs., will have very poor CCC numbers.

and as was also previously said, the best thing to start with, is the yellow sticker weight of a trailer. this will be its weight when it left the factory, including so-called "options" that nearly all trailers have.(oven, microwave, awning, spare tire, a/c and so on)

then it's easy to add the weights of battery, propane and water, to subtract from the CCC, to get what you'll have left over for actual cargo.
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as was said, most trailers with a GVWR around 3500lbs., will have very poor CCC numbers.

and as was also previously said, the best thing to start with, is the yellow sticker weight of a trailer. this will be its weight when it left the factory, including so-called "options" that nearly all trailers have.(oven, microwave, awning, spare tire, a/c and so on)

then it's easy to add the weights of battery, propane and water, to subtract from the CCC, to get what you'll have left over for actual cargo.
I guess what I was really asking in my first post is how reasonable is only 700 lb cargo capacity? Other trailers around the same GVWR (3500lbs give or take) have 1000-1200lb capacity and this seems signficantly less. Was wondering if anyone had specific experiences in being creative with a low CCC (similar to KMP44's answer). I know it's hard to say...all families camp with different amounts of stuff.

DH and I are hoping to pop out to the dealer this weekend so hopefully we can look at some yellow stickers.

Thanks everyone!
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Old 03-07-2014, 08:56 AM   #14
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No way I could get by with that amount. For sure couldn't if propane, batteries and options still had to come out of that figure. Bedding, clothes, dishes, food, games, toys, power cords, water hoses, etc. add up. Keep in mind that you will probably have ZERO cushion on tire rating when fully loaded. The cheap Chinese tires on these rigs are problematic, to say the least. No way I'd load right up to their max rating.
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Old 03-07-2014, 09:11 AM   #15
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Actually, I'm not sure about availability on the way into the park. Never had to know that since we have always tented. I would have to look into that. But not sure how feasible that would be. If we loaded the trailer, then filled the tank at the park, I would be leary of going over the CCC even for the short distance to our site. And it wouldn't make sense to go to the site, unload stuff, then go get water then go back and park it and load up again. Thank you for the info on the weight of the water...it certainly takes away a big chunk of the cargo capacity.

I haven't been to a park yet that didn't have fresh water fill, but the problem is that most of them have it at the dump station, which is on the way out of the park. So you need to check into the park, turn around to leave, hit the dump station, fill the tanks, then turn around and come back into the park.
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Wow. We've got it good down South with water hookups at every RV site I've ever been to. That would suck having to fill your tank for water. We'd have to refill our tank every 2 days. That would get OLD on a 2 week trip.
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Wow. We've got it good down South with water hookups at every RV site I've ever been to. That would suck having to fill your tank for water. We'd have to refill our tank every 2 days. That would get OLD on a 2 week trip.

Oh, we've got plenty of sites with water hookups, but we're talking about the provincial parks. I've been to plenty of state parks in Michigan with the same arrangement. Though, the ones in Michigan usually do a better job of accessing the dump station to fill your tanks without having to turn around.
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Oh, we've got plenty of sites with water hookups, but we're talking about the provincial parks. I've been to plenty of state parks in Michigan with the same arrangement. Though, the ones in Michigan usually do a better job of accessing the dump station to fill your tanks without having to turn around.
When I say down South, I mean like Texas down South!!!
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I think you were posting as I was replying...
Yes, we are noticing quite a range of cargo capacity - some surprise us and then others don't. Having a dual axle is nice because you get more CCC but a lot of the smaller trailers are single axle. We are looking for as small as we can get away with so we can fit into traditional campsites in our provincial parks and also in the driveway!

We actually just found out that the 16V and the 197 were discontinued so our options are narrowing by the minute! Was also just chatting with DH and he was also mentioning that the single propane tank was worrying him too (for furnace operation in the shoulder seasons).

So many things to consider - our heads are swimming!

Thank you so much for all the replies so far! I am really appreciating the suggestions!

Forgot to add, we are going to be getting a pick up truck in the spring that will far exceed what will be needed for towing. Currently we have a GMC Envoy with the towing package (think it's rated at 5 or 6K lbs?) but it's not entirely reliable these days and would hate to be stuck on the side of a Northern Ontario highway with two kids and a trailer! This is another reason why price is a factor as we will have that added expense after a few years of no car payments! ACK! lol!
A few thoughts - just my opnion - but I wouldn't worry too much about one propane tank for a week or less. Sure, 2 is better, but unless its 40 degrees (F) you won't use that much per day. And I would never travel with full water tanks. Fill up at the CG. Rolling through a campground at 5 mph with a full water tank should be fine.

We towed with a V6 Explorer - similar to your Envoy. Was fine with a popup, but I wouldn't have wanted to pull a full height trailer with it. So, we bought a used truck and the difference in price vs new was almost as much the cost of the new camper.

If you plan to get a truck, it might be worth waiting a year on the camper. As bikendan has said "buy your second camper first." It doesn't take long for the "we just want to get out the tent" to turn into "boy this kitchen is small and the living area is tight and the kids want their own space..." We also tried to keep our trailer fairly small to fit the places we like to go, but its still big enough for what we need.

With that extra towing capacity of a pickup, it opens up some options. We were at the RV show last week and a couple dealers had some basic models priced very reasonble. Prowler, Aspen Trail, Coleman were a couple that stood out but FR has similar models. These are metal siding, probably wood framed - so a little heavier but nice trailers under $15K new.

Lots to consider. The trick is getting something that you are happy with for several years. We have friends that bought a 17' Jayco last year. Turned out to be too much for their Nissan to pull comfortably, so now they are looking at a bigger vehicle. They are going to be able tow more and kicking themselves because they would take a huge loss on trading the camper they bought for the one they originally wanted but couldn't tow

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I agree on the propane. We've camped for a week plus in pretty cold weather (Low in the 20's, highs in the 30's and 40's) and used less than a single 30lb tank. This was heating a 30' with super slide and using the oven and range at times. Also running propane only on water heater- 2 adults and 3 kids bathing daily. Granted, we did use space heaters to supplement heat.
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