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Old 01-24-2016, 08:01 PM   #41
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I took dustman stx comment as meaning that even with extra effort it would be next to impossible to get all of the saw dust out. Even with cleaning before departing I still see a bit of saw dust after traveling and my TT is 5 years old.
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Old 01-24-2016, 08:31 PM   #42
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75% ?? really where did that number come from?? I really doubt that, maybe 10% our dealer sees very few campers come back for major issues.
I think it came from here:



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Old 01-24-2016, 08:45 PM   #44
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Just found this on the RV Sandpiper site:

A HIGHER STANDARD OF MANUFACTURING

At Forest River we understand that the quality and dependability of our products is of the utmost importance. That is why random units from each of our brands are subjected to rigorous testing at our 20,000 square foot pre-delivery inspection (PDI) building on top of the inspections that all units undergo as they are being built. Units selected to go through PDI are checked for issues in electrical, plumbing, LP system, function, cosmetic, codes and standards, rain bay, and other miscellaneous tests. This process provides our plants daily feedback to ensure every unit being built meets the high quality standards.

I guess Mr. H's Roo didn't make it to the PDI building!

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Old 01-25-2016, 05:28 AM   #46
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Note once again the dismissive reply of one of the "regulars" to a genuine concern.
Instead of comparing RV's to houses, a better comparison would be to cruising boats, another form of travelling "house" subjected to even more stresses, with which I have had a lot of experience. No cruising boat manufacturer "worth his salt" (pun intended) could survive producing such poorly manufactured products. Perhaps if buyers would speak up more often, or simply not buy until quality improved, there would be less of this.
Look carefully at the quote above. It says "even if they wanted to", implying that they don't want to.
Jeff you state we should not buy until the quality improves,,,
Guess then we are stuck with what we have,,, even if is only a tent !!!
LOL !!!
In order to improve quality,,, the line must be slowed down,,, and better quality material must be used,,, maybe less crap from China ???

I will say this,,, I do believe RV's are higher quality than most Manufactured Homes !!!
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We already will drive halfway across the country, just to save a few grand.

Are we prepared to pay $5k more, just for better quality?
No. You won't. It's proven every day.


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We already will drive halfway across the country, just to save a few grand.

Are we prepared to pay $5k more, just for better quality?
No. You won't. It's proven every day.
If the lower price/lower quality units were never made you would pay the 5,000. more price because you never would have known the difference. You would never have been exposed to the lower price. The manufacturers have lowered the bar and we, unfortunately, have accepted it.
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Just found this on the RV Sandpiper site:

A HIGHER STANDARD OF MANUFACTURING

At Forest River we understand that the quality and dependability of our products is of the utmost importance. That is why random units from each of our brands are subjected to rigorous testing at our 20,000 square foot pre-delivery inspection (PDI) building on top of the inspections that all units undergo as they are being built. Units selected to go through PDI are checked for issues in electrical, plumbing, LP system, function, cosmetic, codes and standards, rain bay, and other miscellaneous tests. This process provides our plants daily feedback to ensure every unit being built meets the high quality standards.

I guess Mr. H's Roo didn't make it to the PDI building!


20,000 sq ft, that's not a very big PDI/QC building which supposedly is for every F.R. division. The two key words in that paragraph are "random" and "selected". I would like to know the percentage of units that are manufactured that end up in that place. Probably less than 1 of a 100.

I also take issue with "on top of the inspections that all units undergo as they are being built" I think that means glancing over at the line to see if the unit has tires on it before you drag it out the factory door
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If the lower price/lower quality units were never made you would pay the 5,000. more price because you never would have known the difference. You would never have been exposed to the lower price. The manufacturers have lowered the bar and we, unfortunately, have accepted it.
We haven't accepted it, we have demanded it. Company A produces a camper that sells for $25K. It has a Barker tongue jack and BAL leveling jacks, rides on a custom frame built just for that camper and has oversized and overrated tires and axles. The best workers were hired at $25 per hour and each camper is assigned a supervising tech to over see the build from start to finish. Company B builds it faster, uses Chinese tires, pays their workers $10 an hour and has only a few supervisors overseeing the entire plant whose primary job is to speed up the assembly process. They sell their camper for $20K and are making double the profit at that price point. Guess which camper 99% of people would buy? So whose fault is it again????
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