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Old 06-15-2016, 09:48 AM   #31
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I went out to take some pictures this morning so that I could show you what I am seeing.

Rear of camper:


A few pictures of the pump:


The hole you see in this picture leads to the underside of the shower.


And this is how I have to get to the pump:


As you can see in the picture, I have to fold half of the bunk bottom over, after removing the mattress and then climb in to see it all. It can't be accessed from outside.

I have heard some of you say something about using the existing pump to bring water into the camper through an outside shower. What about an interior shower? It would be easy to bring the jug inside and set it on the floor and suck out of it. Do you have a detailed process on how that works? Or I am guessing I would still need to have access to pump to make that work - which doesn't seem easy.

I was reading the manual, and it said at one point filling the fresh water tank through the gravity port but then in the sanitizing section it said to hand or electric pump the solution into the tank. - So that leads me to think that its just a generic manual and not one for my specific model/build.


And on an un-related note, I noticed this in the bathroom. Would you be concerned. I'm guessing this is an easy way for water to get inside. not sure how long it has been this way, but we have had a lot of rain the past few days and I don't see any leaks. The other side has the seal bubbled up as well. In the picture behind the crank it is actually broken in half (the seal).

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Old 06-15-2016, 12:27 PM   #32
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Some forum members use the outside shower to pump water into the outside FW tank fill port. You can't use the inside shower unless you have way to get water into the FW fill line.

To use an outside shower, you need to rig up a hose from the outside shower outlet to the FW fill port. You'll also need to add an inlet for antifreeze since you don't appear to have one from the factory. Something like this is what you'll need:
https://www.amazon.com/Camco-36543-X.../dp/B0006JJ588

The add-on antifreeze inlet (pump converter kit) is something you'll want to do regardless of how you fill the FW tank because the only other way to add antifreeze is to use a hand pump.

From the photos of your model that I've been able to find, I don't see an outside shower. Does yours have one?

On my TT, the outside shower is on the opposite side of the trailer from the FW gravity fill, so I've opted to use a extra 12V pump. I just upgraded the factory pump to a new one and I'm using the old pump to fill the FW tank.
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Old 06-15-2016, 12:46 PM   #33
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There are posts on this site about RVs with no gravity feed fresh water fill. They have a city hose connection with a valve to switch between the unit's piped water system and the FW tank. SOB unit next to me this weekend had that set-up. Guest staying with owner asked me to help decipher the diagrams to get water in the unit without using the pump. I couldn't figure it out!


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Old 06-15-2016, 01:30 PM   #34
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Some forum members use the outside shower to pump water into the outside FW tank fill port. You can't use the inside shower unless you have way to get water into the FW fill line.

To use an outside shower, you need to rig up a hose from the outside shower outlet to the FW fill port. You'll also need to add an inlet for antifreeze since you don't appear to have one from the factory. Something like this is what you'll need:
https://www.amazon.com/Camco-36543-X.../dp/B0006JJ588

The add-on antifreeze inlet (pump converter kit) is something you'll want to do regardless of how you fill the FW tank because the only other way to add antifreeze is to use a hand pump.

From the photos of your model that I've been able to find, I don't see an outside shower. Does yours have one?

On my TT, the outside shower is on the opposite side of the trailer from the FW gravity fill, so I've opted to use a extra 12V pump. I just upgraded the factory pump to a new one and I'm using the old pump to fill the FW tank.
We do not have an outside shower (wish we did).

But it sounds like it doesn't really work that way from the inside shower. I also noticed I didn't have the winterization kit. I was thinking about just trying to use air compressor to blow out the lines. Wasn't sure which method was best.
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Old 06-15-2016, 03:52 PM   #37
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And on an un-related note, I noticed this in the bathroom. Would you be concerned. I'm guessing this is an easy way for water to get inside. not sure how long it has been this way, but we have had a lot of rain the past few days and I don't see any leaks. The other side has the seal bubbled up as well. In the picture behind the crank it is actually broken in half (the seal).

Do you have one of the max air or other type cover over the vent?


As far as the water, how about one of these little cheap hand pumps? You could put a hose fitting on the end. Even if it didn't work for that might come in handy for changing oil in the mower and other odds and ends.
http://www.harborfreight.com/multi-u...ck-to-top-link
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Many are suggesting a separate pump to force the standing water into the pressurized fill port. This certainly works but requires the separate pump.

As bobm253 experienced, my 2000 Coachmen Santara (C) had a suction fill through the pump to the fresh tank based on valve settings. Worked like a champ when I needed to refill from a container. Nice water control in that coach.

I was really disappointed when my brand new Class A FR3 couldn't do the same nor did it have a gravity feed. I'm with Lynlanning - If you can use the winterizing suction hose to get the standing water into the pressurized system, you then only need a valve that allows the fresh tank to be filled from there. If not already there, it's a simple valve to bypass from pressurized to the tank fill. I made this mod to my FR3. And, you can use this valve instead of having to move the fresh water hose from city to tank fill to put some water in the tank. Worried about the antifreeze in the suction line? Well, I also use this line in the spring to suck in Bleach/Water mix for sanitizing so it's clean during the camping season.
The FR3s don't have a gravity fill?? This is now something I'm going to have to add to my list of "must haves" when shopping for a new camper!!!
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Do you have one of the max air or other type cover over the vent?

It's on my list of things to add, just don't have one yet
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I have heard of folks taking a 5 gallon jug and putting it on the rail of their truck bed. A small fresh water hose connected to the water fill and syphon away.

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