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Old 08-14-2015, 08:20 PM   #21
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Good idea, but MY toilet isn't as big as a FordIdaho! Thanks
So you would not be able to buy one smaller or bend the net loop so it does fit?

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Old 08-14-2015, 08:35 PM   #22
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Most of the tanks come as a sealed unit with no holes. This allows manufacturers to keep a minimum different styles in inventory. On installation, the sensors, and various holes ( in and out) are just cut with a holes saw. If the cut out falls in the tank it stays there.
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Had the round section cut out by a hole saw plug my gray water drain valve and had to pull the valve apart to manually remove it! I can't imagine that type of manufacturing practices. But it's not all about Quality Control, it's more about a lack of, or poorly designed QUALITY SYSTEM.
Quality Control is more than simply checking products during or after the job is performed to verify that the manufacturing processes/practices actually are performed correctly. A good quality control systems starts with the design of all processes to produce a QUALITY PRODUCT! It goes without saying, FR (and the rest of the RV industry for that matter) really needs to start designing their manufacturing processes for SUCCESS. Poorly designed processes/production methods produce poor quality products. Just look back at the US auto industry in the 1970's!!!!
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With all of the great and much appreciated factory input I read on this forum, it is odd to me that with so many of us sharing horror stories about things in our tanks and/or vents that should not be that they have not stepped up to 1. resolve all of the existing issues in an expedited fashion and 2. assure they create a qa process that will prevent ever having another.
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Old 08-15-2015, 12:22 AM   #25
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Poorly designed processes/production methods produce poor quality products.
But this ASSUMES that the End Goal is "High Quality Products" rather than just "High Quality Corporate Profits".
Given the recent Consolidation in the RV Manufacturers, there is so little actual Competition that there is little Pressure to Raise Quality as one of the Competitive Advantages a Corporation would usually use against a Healthy Competitor.
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But this ASSUMES that the End Goal is "High Quality Products" rather than just "High Quality Corporate Profits".
Given the recent Consolidation in the RV Manufacturers, there is so little actual Competition that there is little Pressure to Raise Quality as one of the Competitive Advantages a Corporation would usually use against a Healthy Competitor.
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Old 08-15-2015, 10:50 AM   #27
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Had the round section cut out by a hole saw plug my gray water drain valve and had to pull the valve apart to manually remove it! I can't imagine that type of manufacturing practices. But it's not all about Quality Control, it's more about a lack of, or poorly designed QUALITY SYSTEM.
Quality Control is more than simply checking products during or after the job is performed to verify that the manufacturing processes/practices actually are performed correctly. A good quality control systems starts with the design of all processes to produce a QUALITY PRODUCT! It goes without saying, FR (and the rest of the RV industry for that matter) really needs to start designing their manufacturing processes for SUCCESS. Poorly designed processes/production methods produce poor quality products. Just look back at the US auto industry in the 1970's!!!!
In a perfect world... But quality cost profits and the bottom line IS $$$$. It's all about the best (or worse) bang for maxim profit (ref business 101)! Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what you, me or the customer thinks!
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Just got back from Goshen and took a factory tour the guide told us they have a 30 unit a day quota and then get to go home there is some sort of incentive Programe with a defect clause but those guys are running in that. Flagstaff factory just trying to push down the line if mistakes are made I think they try to catch then at the end of the line and what ever in the middle gets covered up or missed oh well
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That's interesting. Since we took a plant tour this past week and saw tanks being installed and no drilling done on assembly line so they are pre drilled some where else. Later RJD
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In a perfect world... But quality cost profits and the bottom line IS $$$$. It's all about the best (or worse) bang for maxim profit (ref business 101)! Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what you, me or the customer thinks!
As an X-quality manager and manufacturing manager for 35 years I really take exception to the often thrown out phrase "Quality costs money". I've never been able to understand the mentality that well designed manufacturing processes that do the job correctly are more expensive than throwing items together and absorbing the costs of on-the-production-line rework (doing the same job 2-3 times instead of once) and the associated warranty costs. I guess you have to live it to understand it
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