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Old 06-08-2014, 03:32 AM   #1
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Newbie needs advice on a couple issues PLEASE!!!

Okay, first off please excuse my ignorance as this is all new stuff to me! I have two unrelated issues that I need advice on. I have a 2008 FR Wildwood BHBS.

1. I had to replace the water heater element and I figured while I had it taken out I would use my Camco water heater flush wand to clean the sediment out. So I sprayed into the water heater element hole and I think just about every drop of water ended up under my sink and all over inside of camper. Why is this? Doesn't the water element go into the same sealed tank that the drain plug drains?

2. I was emptying my black tank and I have a Camco flushing device that you hook the hose up to and it flushes out the black tank. I am hooked up to city water and permanent sewer. So I begin flushing the black tank and leave it run for a bit and all of a sudden I hear water dripping down my camper from the roof. The water backed up in the sewer drain causing it to back up my sewer vent tube...then it came out of the sewer vent tube and started leaking in my bathroom around the plastic frame of my fan. It was a mess!!! Any idea how or why it was able to get into my fan frame? I don't see any other damage and I do t noticeand wet spots, but all this just happened a couple hours ago. Just wondering what the hell!!!!

Thanks so much for taking the time to answer!
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Old 06-08-2014, 03:50 AM   #2
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When you fill your h w tank does it leak at all?
Sounds like it is cracked.
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Old 06-08-2014, 04:25 AM   #3
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Doesn't the water element go into the same sealed tank that the drain plug drains?
Yes, it does. You have a leak somewhere on the backside of the HWT.

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So I begin flushing the black tank and leave it run for a bit and all of a sudden I hear water dripping down my camper from the roof.
You let it run for a bit - how long was that? Best practices suggest to never employ a tank flush apparatus (built in or portable) while the gate valve for that tank is closed. If you've dumped the poo and are flushing the tank, many of us employ the close-open-close-open technique to rid the tanks of excess buildup. However, that's a process that has to be closely monitored and never leave the valve closed more than a minute or so with the flush doing its thing. As for the ummm, effluent getting into your fan frame: Vent in close proximity to the fan? Was the fan cover open? Have you checked the caulk around the fan?

Hope you get this sorted out so that you can...

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Yes, the hot water tank is full and functioning fine with no leaks detected. To answer the second question. I will have to check the seal around the fan, the fan itself was closed. The tank flush was left running for about 10min with the black valve open.
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When you flush out the water heater, make sure you have the by-pass valves in the "winterizing" positions (in other words, the water heater is "by-passed"). That will do two things: Prevent the water that you are spraying in from getting into the system (and, presumably, out the faucet, if you have left it open) and prevent any flushed-out lime from getting into your water lines. After flushing, re-set the by-pass valves to "summer" positions and re-fill the hot water heater.

As for the second issue, always have the black tank gate valve open when flushing out the black tank. Doesn't take much pressure in there to force water up the vent tube and out onto your roof.
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When you flush out the water heater, make sure you have the by-pass valves in the "winterizing" positions (in other words, the water heater is "by-passed"). That will do two things: Prevent the water that you are spraying in from getting into the system (and, presumably, out the faucet, if you have left it open) and prevent any flushed-out lime from getting into your water lines. After flushing, re-set the by-pass valves to "summer" positions and re-fill the hot water heater.

As for the second issue, always have the black tank gate valve open when flushing out the black tank. Doesn't take much pressure in there to force water up the vent tube and out onto your roof.
Mike, you beat me too it! Spot on for both issues.
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Mike, you beat me too it! Spot on for both issues.
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Good morning, Lou. Thanks!

How's Laura doing? Are you to going to be able to make it to Goshen? I need my sign-hanging buddy!
So far so good. Although she is fighting a cold right now, we are in "go" mode. Just PM'ed Bob for final contact info to have her supplies delivered.
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When you flush out the water heater, make sure you have the by-pass valves in the "winterizing" positions (in other words, the water heater is "by-passed"). That will do two things: Prevent the water that you are spraying in from getting into the system (and, presumably, out the faucet, if you have left it open) and prevent any flushed-out lime from getting into your water lines. After flushing, re-set the by-pass valves to "summer" positions and re-fill the hot water heater.

As for the second issue, always have the black tank gate valve open when flushing out the black tank. Doesn't take much pressure in there to force water up the vent tube and out onto your roof.
Thanks for the info, but I'm not sure either solution fits the problems, because the issue with the water heater flush was that the water, from spraying inside the water heater element hole, somehow got outside of the unit and build up under the cabinetry. There are no leaks...my water heater is full and functioning fine right now with no leaks. The second issue of the black tank flush involves a Camco flushing mechanism that attaches outside of the camper and sprays into the black tank, therefore to flush the black tank the black tank gate valve has to be open for the water to go up into the black tank...
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Thanks for the info, but I'm not sure either solution fits the problems, because the issue with the water heater flush was that the water, from spraying inside the water heater element hole, somehow got outside of the unit and build up under the cabinetry. There are no leaks...my water heater is full and functioning fine right now with no leaks. The second issue of the black tank flush involves a Camco flushing mechanism that attaches outside of the camper and sprays into the black tank, therefore to flush the black tank the black tank gate valve has to be open for the water to go up into the black tank...
1) check for sealant between the water heater body and the outside door wall fixture. If they never sealed the gap between the door fitting and the heater, water can enter the camper.
(see photo - in one the sealant is white; the other is black)

2) So, the black tank flush system you are using attaches to the dump cap (see photo)? Or is it mounted on the wall - like a screw fitting for a hose?

If it is mounted on the wall, you must physically open the black tank shutoff because the wall type goes directly into the tank from a fitting in the wall of the tank.
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