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04-27-2013, 11:01 PM
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Plugged toilet 2013 Rockwood Signiture ( Amelio)
First trip out had to snake the toilet plumbing line 4 times. Used very little paper.
Toilet is in the upper bedroom and not directly over the tank, Thetford toilet installation instructions say it should be directly over the tank. The drain pipe has two elbows that I can see. . Has anyone had this problem or solution.
I have had many fith wheel trailer and know how to use toilets that are directly over the tank. HELP!!!
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04-28-2013, 02:14 AM
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Amelio, it would help if you posted which model you have.
there are 9 different Rockwood Signature models.
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04-28-2013, 02:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bikendan
Amelio, it would help if you posted which model you have.
there are 9 different Rockwood Signature models.
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Dan, just a thought. Wonder if the admins could fix this so you had to put your rv model in your signature. I see this multiple times a day, that a poster is looking for help, but we have no idea what they own.
Like I said, just a thought.
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04-28-2013, 02:27 AM
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every RV forum that i'm a member of, always suggests this but many members just don't do it or don't know how.
and many newbies simply don't know that they need to post better info.
the same goes for when someone says "can i tow this Rockwood trailer with my Chevy truck?", and never given any real info on the truck or the trailer.
we can't force people to put info in their signature line. we hope everyone will or see that others do it, but it's their choice.
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04-28-2013, 02:35 AM
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Like I said, It was just a thought..
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04-28-2013, 06:12 AM
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Site Team - Lou
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Quote:
Originally Posted by awwall
Like I said, It was just a thought..
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And a good one.
I always try to make a pitch for it when answering a post, especially if the info is not in their profile.
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04-28-2013, 08:12 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by awwall
Like I said, It was just a thought..
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It's a good thought.
Dan and Herk are right, too, that we try and encourage. For example, all new members for the last year get a welcome letter that says it.
Now...back to our regularly scheduled program
Amelio, welcome to the forum! The make and model of your 5er might help. I hope someone here can help with the plumbing issue. Good luck!
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04-28-2013, 08:59 AM
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Another first-poster. Ah well.
If a person had to snake a line four times on their first outing, they obviously have their black water drain open all the time, as they should not. I don't even have my trailer yet, and I know this.
Amelio, you need to leave the black water tank shut until you either go to leave, or it's mostly full. There are several good videos you can search for to show you how to do this.
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04-28-2013, 02:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Amelio
First trip out had to snake the toilet plumbing line 4 times. Used very little paper.
Toilet is in the upper bedroom and not directly over the tank, Thetford toilet installation instructions say it should be directly over the tank. The drain pipe has two elbows that I can see. . Has anyone had this problem or solution.
I have had many fith wheel trailer and know how to use toilets that are directly over the tank. HELP!!!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bikendan
Amelio, it would help if you posted which model you have.
there are 9 different Rockwood Signature models.
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Thank you for replying.
foolish of me not to mention that the rockwood Signiture is a #8265 WS fifth wheel.
I am at a camp ground and they use a pump truck to drain the holding tank. The pipe with it's elbows still does not drain into the vacated tank.
I snaked it out again and pulled out the undesolved remnents of "Aqua Kems Toss Ins" packet
I feel that packets and solid matter is possibly hanging up on slag or rough edges of the plumbing.
As mentioned, " the toilet is not directly over the tank as suggested by the manufacturer. ( Dometic)
At the end of my six week trip I will bring it back to the dealer and insist on a camera inspection of the line.
I am new to Forum and like it. But, I have some trouble navigating though it. I will learn with time.
Thank you
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04-28-2013, 02:14 PM
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Engineer of Crazy Train
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Amelio
Thank you for replying.
foolish of me not to mention that the rockwood Signiture is a #8265 WS fifth wheel.
I am at a camp ground and they use a pump truck to drain the holding tank. The pipe with it's elbows still does not drain into the vacated tank.
I snaked it out again and pulled out the undesolved remnents of "Aqua Kems Toss Ins" packet
I feel that packets and solid matter is possibly hanging up on slag or rough edges of the plumbing.
As mentioned, " the toilet is not directly over the tank as suggested by the manufacturer. ( Dometic)
At the end of my six week trip I will bring it back to the dealer and insist on a camera inspection of the line.
I am new to Forum and like it. But, I have some trouble navigating though it. I will learn with time.
Thank you
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I would say some abnormality in the pipe causing a hangup. I would ditch the aquakem packs for liquid and flush with lots of water. And when able to, use the campground facilities.
BTW, welcome to the Forum.
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04-28-2013, 02:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChooChooMan74
I would say some abnormality in the pipe causing a hangup. I would ditch the aquakem packs for liquid and flush with lots of water. And when able to, use the campground facilities.
BTW, welcome to the Forum.
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Maybe try longer flushes each time its used to help keep paper moving along.
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04-28-2013, 02:52 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
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Our Rockwood 5W also has 2- 45 elbows in the piping to the black tank and never had an issue with blockage. As suggested use lots of water for flushing.
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04-28-2013, 04:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by treaves
Another first-poster. Ah well.
If a person had to snake a line four times on their first outing, they obviously have their black water drain open all the time, as they should not. I don't even have my trailer yet, and I know this.
Amelio, you need to leave the black water tank shut until you either go to leave, or it's mostly full. There are several good videos you can search for to show you how to do this.
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My first post indicated that I have had many fifth wheel trailers and I know how to use the toilets which includes black water tank valves. I am not a novis and I am trying to politely follow the Forum rules, So please emulate.
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04-28-2013, 04:45 PM
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Thanks. That is exactly what I have done. I will be at the lake for two more weeks . Enough time to evaluate further.
Amelio
Ciao
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04-28-2013, 04:57 PM
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Professional Texan
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Location: Texas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Amelio
Thanks. That is exactly what I have done. I will be at the lake for two more weeks . Enough time to evaluate further.
Amelio
Ciao
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You are doing fine. Folks just want to help and sometimes you need to ask the obvious, like "Is your battery charged" etc. to make sure all bases are covered.
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04-29-2013, 08:01 AM
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Senior Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Amelio
My first post indicated that I have had many fifth wheel trailers and I know how to use the toilets which includes black water tank valves. I am not a novis and I am trying to politely follow the Forum rules, So please emulate.
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I'm not trying to be rude, but, math is math. You didn't fill a 38 gallon black tank four times in a single weekend. You stated you had to snake it four times in a weekend. That means you are draining too frequently.
Good luck.
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04-29-2013, 08:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by treaves
I'm not trying to be rude, but, math is math. You didn't fill a 38 gallon black tank four times in a single weekend. You stated you had to snake it four times in a weekend. That means you are draining too frequently.
Good luck.
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The OP is having blockages ABOVE the tank, and not at the drain valve.
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04-29-2013, 08:13 AM
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Phat Phrog Stunt Team
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With this configuration I think the stool bowl must be full of water at each flush .
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04-29-2013, 08:14 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bakken
The OP is having blockages ABOVE the tank, and not at the drain valve.
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Oh. I did not see that. My apologies.
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04-29-2013, 08:50 AM
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Site Team - Lou
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OK,
1) Pump out services do not flush the tank, they just suck out any liquid waste that flows out the mast.
2) If there is not enough liquid EVERY TIME; solids remain in a pile (Pyramid of doom) at the base of the soil pipe.
3) If they charge per pump out, it is human nature to try and stretch the time between pump outs. Folks do this by not filling the bowl with water when flushing a #2. This is false economy. It leads to solids caked on walls and a deep layer of packed on sludge that restricts water flow from the dump mast valve making even more solids remain behind.
4) Once the "Pyramid of Doom" gets high enough to block the entrance to the soil pipe, solids start blocking the pipe itself; catching everything that goes down that is not water. (paper, deodorant tablets, poo, etc.)
So, what to do.
You are not going to like your options:
1) STOP using the toilet
2) Add 1 QUART of RV-Digest-It or other enzyme/bacteria based digester and then fill the tank with water until you see water in the bottom of the toilet opening (no higher as you don't want your base seal to leak.
3) Wait AT LEAST 72 hours (3 full days) to allow the "beasties" to turn that sludge/paper/poo into liquid waste.
4) call for a pump out.
5) Repeat AT LEAST once more.
6) Always use a full bowl of water to flush solids and never pump out unless full.
This should do the trick.
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