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Old 05-02-2016, 04:58 PM   #11
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Found the water pump and water filter.

Who ever designed the setup never had to access either. It was a rat's nest of pipes and wires in the way of the pump. Filter access not much better. Beats me how anyone would get to the water pump without first removing a panel and then the furnace which is the way. Too long a reach from the other side.

If one felt the need for a filter the only easy way would be to use an external setup outside the rig. Forget the internal one. It is a PITA.

If there is a problem with the water pump it is beyond my abilities.

I have to lay on my belly and reach over some heat duct to reach the bypass valves, if I was shaped more like Humpty Dumpty I'd never get up again.....
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Since my last post I found several other threads discussing the poor design regarding the location of various components. The water pump and filter being the number one complaints.

And it is not just Forest River. My approach to winterizing will be to take it to the local FR service guy and pay the 60 bucks to let him struggle with it while I have a beer and maybe some sushi.

The only two fifth wheels I ever owned that had not only reasonable access to things but also decent owner's manuals were built by Northwood.

But they are now pretty pricy and we do not plan to travel that much so could not justify.

Oh well.

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Old 05-03-2016, 11:19 AM   #13
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Found the water pump and water filter.

Who ever designed the setup never had to access either. It was a rat's nest of pipes and wires in the way of the pump. Filter access not much better. Beats me how anyone would get to the water pump without first removing a panel and then the furnace which is the way. Too long a reach from the other side.

If one felt the need for a filter the only easy way would be to use an external setup outside the rig. Forget the internal one. It is a PITA.

If there is a problem with the water pump it is beyond my abilities.

LMAO! ! I agree, they were engineers, not mechanic! I have often stated engineers should be required to work on their designs, but unfortunately that is not the case.

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LMAO! ! I agree, they were engineers, not mechanic! I have often stated engineers should be required to work on their designs, but unfortunately that is not the case.

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I highly doubt any engineers are involved in the placement of water pumps and hoses.
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I have to lay on my belly and reach over some heat duct to reach the bypass valves, if I was shaped more like Humpty Dumpty I'd never get up again.....
I know mine are a real pain to get to. I just make it!!

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I highly doubt any engineers are involved in the placement of water pumps and hoses.
Remember there are different types of engine-rears. Some do nothing but designs. These are the ones that hope what they do works, and pray they never have to work on what they have designed or laid out!!

The good ones will then go to their mechanics and ask "Will this work?" How difficult will this be to work on?

A good mechanic will say yes, it will work but change this Move the pump to here. You can not get to this part. A bad engine-rear doesn't care.

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Remember there are different types of engine-rears. Some do nothing but designs. These are the ones that hope what they do works, and pray they never have to work on what they have designed or laid out!!

The good ones will then go to their mechanics and ask "Will this work?" How difficult will this be to work on?

A good mechanic will say yes, it will work but change this Move the pump to here. You can not get to this part. A bad engine-rear doesn't care.

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My point is that I highly doubt that there are any degreed engineers involved in the actual locations of these components. If they have any engineers, they are most likely only involved in making sure the final "as-designed" version is balance properly; but it doesn't take a degreed engineer to do that. At most, I suspect they have "technicians" or "designers."
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A simple solution

Thinking about the placement of water pump, water filter and the furnace, it seems the three could have been placed in a different order and problem solved.

The furnace/heater, which seldom if ever has a need to be accessed, could be placed next to the panel facing the interior of the coach (or whatever you call it).

The water filter and pump could then be placed near the panel that is facing the storage/basement compartment. In our rig that would make for very easy access.

It is such an obvious layout it makes me wonder who is in charge of designing the internals of these rigs.

Maybe ours was assembled late on a Friday when they were in a hurry to get to the pub and it was just thrown together. That would explain the routing of the plumbing and wiring. What mess.

I am most likely
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