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Old 03-03-2014, 04:55 PM   #1
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50 to 30 adapter + 50 amp 220 shore receptacle + 110 RV = NOT GOOD!

Well I will start off by saying I learned a valuable lesson this past Friday setting up our camper at a campground in Holly Beach, La. I WILL check voltage on EVERY 30 and 50 amp shore power receptacle from now on no matter what campground I am at! We arrived at the campground Friday afternoon, did my normal set up routine outside. When we started the inside routine, my wife plugged in the scentsy the light bulb burnt, well I plugged in the TV in our room and let’s just say I got all the smoke out of the wires as soon as I plugged it in!

Well long story short we started checking for the problem. I got my meter out and checked the voltage from the 50amp shore receptacle and instead of 110V it was wired for 220V. We lost the TV in the bedroom, satellite receiver, chargers for our Swiffer vacuum and sweeper, converter, microwave, control board on refrigerator, and water heater element. The dealer may find even more damage, I hope not but I know it is a reality.

Well the owner was out of town and would not be back until Sunday, so we got a battery charger and put a trickle charge on the battery so we would have lights and a “fart fan” in the bathroom. Sunday afternoon the owner comes and plugs his meter into the receptacle and says, yea something is not right, but I can rewire it to fix it. I asked him if he had insurance to cover something like this he said no. I then asked him how we were going to resolve this issue since I checked several other 50amp receptacles in his campground and they all had 110V. He started to crawfish, we went in the camper so he could see the microwave was damaged and he offered me $500 and used parts from FEMA campers he has. I was willing to work with him and agreed to eat my TV and I would accept a microwave from him if it was the same as ours. Well we went back and forth and I told him I was not spending a single dime out of my pocket because of the fact the receptacle was wired wrong. He tells me it is not wired wrong it is wired for a “double 50 that has 220” and “it’s not my fault” and he walked out.

Well needless to say that lit a fire in my rear end, after we hooked up we went meet him again and I told him I would not agree to any of his parts, and I will not absorb the cost of the TV and I will bring my camper to the dealer, get it repaired and I will send him the bill. I told him if he chooses not to pay it I would see him in court. He said “it is what it is”, I tell you he sure is a fine example of a great business man. We took several pictures as well as video of me checking the voltage at our site as well as the site next to us. Since he said it was a “double 50 that has 220” I also have pictures showing that it was not labeled 220V. Let the fun begin!!
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Old 03-03-2014, 05:00 PM   #2
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Sorry this happened to you.
Be a great time to invest in a progressive industries surge guard with remote display.
It would have saved your bacon.
If incoming voltage is not correct the pi unit wont let power in your camper.


Also you should do a review of this camp ground in the review section so others might benefit from it.

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Old 03-03-2014, 05:13 PM   #3
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Most likely that pedestal had a bad neutral. If the neutral is corroded or broken, there is no way to get 110 volts from the 220 service.

Every pedestal is wired using 220 and a single neutral to make 110 on each leg.

A power monitor (like the Progressive Industries, Surge Guard, or Franks Auto-transformer) Would have detected the missing Neutral and not allowed a pedestal to camper connection.
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Man I hate that for you. I know its too late but, did you consider calling local law enforcement just to document it. Many people would never think of that but I was called out on several instances where accidents had caused damage to personal property and the victim asked for an officer to act as witness to the damage. I've taken photos, written statements, interviewed witnesses etc. Don't know if it ever helped but an unbiased witness can't hurt.
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All 50 Amp has 220 between the 2 hots, and 110 between each hot and ground. You get a total for 100 Amps at 120 volts. Sounds like a bad neutral. A voltage monitor, either built in or external, would have prevented power to go to the RV.

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Old 03-03-2014, 05:39 PM   #7
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Most likely that pedestal had a bad neutral. If the neutral is corroded or broken, there is no way to get 110 volts from the 220 service.

Every pedestal is wired using 220 and a single neutral to make 110 on each leg.

A power monitor (like the Progressive Industries, Surge Guard, or Franks Auto-transformer) Would have detected the missing Neutral and not allowed a pedestal to camper connection.
Sorry lou,
Next time I'll remember to plug Frank's autoformer......

The op would greatly benefit from both. "After the fact"

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Man I hate that for you. I know its too late but, did you consider calling local law enforcement just to document it. Many people would never think of that but I was called out on several instances where accidents had caused damage to personal property and the victim asked for an officer to act as witness to the damage. I've taken photos, written statements, interviewed witnesses etc. Don't know if it ever helped but an unbiased witness can't hurt.
Good luck.

Yes I did, when I read your post, LOL. I showed the gentleman that was "watching" his property while he was out of town how our pedestal had 220 and the other 2 right by me had 110. I do not know if he will admit to what I showed him if it has to go to court or not but I took pictures and video so that should be plenty proof. Well I won't have a need for a surge protector since I carry a multi meter in my tool bag in my truck and I will check voltage before I plug into any shore power. I just hope the owner pays for it and I don't have to hire an attorney and take him to court.
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The surge protector will help if there is a surge or low voltage due to heavy use in the campgrounds. Lightening is also a possibility which a voltmeter wont prevent. Its is cheap insurance considering how much everyone has in their RV.
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The surge protector will help if there is a surge or low voltage due to heavy use in the campgrounds. Lightening is also a possibility which a voltmeter wont prevent. Its is cheap insurance considering how much everyone has in their RV.
Well you do have a point!
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