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10-25-2019, 06:49 PM
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well here is the answer to the question of the battery issue
Negative battery cable was never secured to the frame from the factory.
Thanks Forest River!
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10-25-2019, 08:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by seasure1
well here is the answer to the question of the battery issue
Negative battery cable was never secured to the frame from the factory.
Thanks Forest River!
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So they weren't actually drained but simply unable to make a connection to get the power from them?
A simple test with a voltmeter should have shown that.
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10-25-2019, 09:26 PM
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Good find
Quote:
Originally Posted by seasure1
well here is the answer to the question of the battery issue
Negative battery cable was never secured to the frame from the factory.
Thanks Forest River!
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Good find!
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10-27-2019, 03:51 PM
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Larry
Thanks for all your assistance along the way!
Crazy but now repaired!
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10-28-2019, 08:01 PM
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Battery drain
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Originally Posted by dwilcox
unless you disconnect the battery, everything is not truly off. Lots of vampire loads that will suck them down. Radios, lp detector, control boards etcetera.
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you are so correct on your assesment of why the battery goes dead . We just bought a new forest river shanrock 19 and a new deep cycle battery was installed at the time of sale. I just disconnect the pos cable and its fine . Thanks ted
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10-28-2019, 08:05 PM
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To add into this. Most of the large clamp on meters do not do low current readings in DC circuits .
Most don’t read under 10amps.
The ones we use to diag parasitic draws on cars require accuracy to 1 milliamp.
Max allowed draw is 30-50 milliamperes on a car depending on the complexity.
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10-28-2019, 08:11 PM
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Many good clamp meters such as Flukes have an accuracy of plus and minus 100mA. Not good for diagnosing small current draws.
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Originally Posted by quicky06
To add into this. Most of the large clamp on meters do not do low current readings in DC circuits .
Most don’t read under 10amps.
The ones we use to diag parasitic draws on cars require accuracy to 1 milliamp.
Max allowed draw is 30-50 milliamperes on a car depending on the complexity.
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10-28-2019, 08:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by babock
Many good clamp meters such as Flukes have an accuracy of plus and minus 100mA. Not good for diagnosing small current draws.
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0024V7HFY/ref=cm_cr_arp_mb_bdcrb_top?ie=UTF8
This is what we use. Honda did a test with 15-20 different clamps. This is the only one that meant their requirements.
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10-29-2019, 05:03 AM
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Check your breakaway. If that pin is pulled, the brakes will be energized and pull a load off the battery.
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10-29-2019, 07:06 AM
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Inverter draw
My inverter has a direct connection to the battery. It draws power even if it is off and not in use. Will run mine through a battery disconnect next season.
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10-29-2019, 07:20 AM
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Add Negative Battery Switch
I had the same problem . Putting a negative switch on the battery cables shutting both positive and negative off prevented this problem.
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10-29-2019, 09:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by seasure1
well here is the answer to the question of the battery issue
Negative battery cable was never secured to the frame from the factory.
Thanks Forest River!
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You have a 2014 and this was just found?
Ray
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10-29-2019, 11:25 PM
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Who installed those brand new batteries ?? And did not notice the ground cable was not connected to the frame.
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10-30-2019, 09:35 AM
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It would seem to me that if the ground cable wasn't connected it would be pretty impossible for an external draw to exist, causing battery to go dead.
Unless I'm missing something that would cause an open circuit.
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10-30-2019, 09:53 AM
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X2 maybe something shorted to ground. ?? If PO always plugged into shore power, but most controls are 12v
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10-30-2019, 02:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NXR
You have a 2014 and this was just found?
Ray
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I was wondering the same thing. How can you blame FR for something that previously worked for 6 years?
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10-31-2019, 03:03 AM
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I had similar issue with my trailer. Turned out to be the power converter. with everything off and no shore power it was pulling about 3 amps all the time.
There were 2 40A fuses in the fusebox, pulling those stopped the drain.
I eventually took the power converter out completely, now use an ordinary battery charger/maintainer when on shore power
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10-31-2019, 12:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by paul.rodgers
I had similar issue with my trailer. Turned out to be the power converter. with everything off and no shore power it was pulling about 3 amps all the time.
There were 2 40A fuses in the fusebox, pulling those stopped the drain.
I eventually took the power converter out completely, now use an ordinary battery charger/maintainer when on shore power
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I would just buy a new converter.
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11-01-2019, 10:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by babock
I would just buy a new converter.
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Battery charger/maintainer =<$100
Converter/Charger = >$200
Some decisions are made on price.
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11-01-2019, 10:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TitanMike
Battery charger/maintainer =<$100
Converter/Charger = >$200
Some decisions are made on price.
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And some decisions like that are penny wise...pound foolish. I can think of a lot of ways, using a maintainer while camping could wipe out your savings by killing a battery. If $100 makes or breaks you, probably should find a new hobby.
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