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Old 06-01-2010, 07:45 PM   #11
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Some new campers come without a battery.
I really think you should contact the manufacturer of your
power center to see if it's OK to be without one.
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Old 06-01-2010, 08:35 PM   #12
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Also, the provided converters in these campers are designed to operate with a battery. Most equipment in the camper is 12v, converted down from the converter's 120v shore power input, or generator. I believe you will eventually burn up the converter, causing an expensive replacement. I'm also for using a good battery. Randy
New converters while not being great chargers are NOT damaged by removing the batteries. If you read the instructions for them they will say the same thing. This is one of those urban legends that keeps being propagated and isn't true, just like you shouldn't leave batteries on a concrete floor.

The converters only put out the amperage needed by the rig. If the charger isn't requiring any to charge the batteries then they just suspend their output to what is actually needed by the rig at the time, such as the electronics in the LP detector, fridge, etc.
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Old 06-01-2010, 09:10 PM   #13
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Well thanks everyone for their imput,,Battery is bad,,didn't even read much on there meter,,I will get another one also. I hope I haven't damaged the inverter/charger,Thanks alot,,,,,
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Old 06-01-2010, 10:00 PM   #14
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The need for the battery while towing is still valid in any case. The only campers that could possibly "come without one" are so light as to not require trailer brakes at all. (1500 pounds or less in CA for example).
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Old 06-01-2010, 10:08 PM   #15
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Well thanks everyone for their imput,,Battery is bad,,didn't even read much on there meter,,I will get another one also. I hope I haven't damaged the inverter/charger,Thanks alot,,,,,
Steve, I wouldn't be worried about the converter/charger (an inverter changes 12vdc to 120vac) They have fuses on them to guard against such problems. If it isn't putting out voltage after you install a new battery, check the fuses on the converter output.
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. The only campers that could possibly "come without one" are so light as to not require trailer brakes at all. (1500 pounds or less in CA for example).
Not trying to start an argument but some campers come
without a battery! It's considered an option.
If the purchaser is going to place the camper on
a permanent site and not tow it, why would they want
a battery? (yeah I know so they can have lights during
a power failure....)

My first camper which weighed 3000+ lbs did not
come with one. Also it's not unusual for a camper
to sit on the lot for months and or years. If it had
a battery it would be dead and quite possibly ruined.
They don't -all- have batteries!
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Cool No worries

Just trying (and perhaps failing) to help.

If you would prefer driving around without a battery, have at it.

As to the converter charger, I can only tell you my experience with the installed WFC-8900 Charger Converter installed in our Flagstaff.

The TM-2025 battery monitor shows that the net power flow (with shore power hooked up) is FROM the battery initially when the lights are turned on. After a bit the power flow reverses as the WFC detects the change in battery voltage and switches modes.

The three modes/stages of operation include:

Absorption mode/Normal operation
Nominal battery charge and supplies power to appliances

Bulk mode/Charge mode
Fast battery charge and supplies power to appliances

Float mode/Trickle charge
Trickle battery charge during storage

Absorption Mode:
During this mode, the converter output is in the 13.6 Vdc range. This is the normal operation mode. This mode provides the 12 Vdc and current required by the 12 Vdc RV appliances, as well as slow charging the battery.


Bulk Mode:
When the converter senses that the RV system voltage is less than 13.2 Vdc (equivalent to less than 50% of battery charge) the converter will automatically go into the “Bulk mode.” In this mode, the output voltage of the converter will switch to 14.4 Vdc for a maximum of four hours. If the converter cycles between “Absorption and Bulk
mode,” there could be a shorted battery cell or other issues. If the output voltage drops below 13.2 Vdc, the converter automatically changes to a “Bulk mode” 14.4 Vdc (unless the converter is in overload condition).

There are two signs of an overloaded converter:
Low output voltage, and full converter fold back or shutdown. In both cases, the converter will automatically turn ON, once the complete load is removed. For low output condition, removing the extra (over the current rating) load will be sufficient. If it is impractical to remove all the load, resetting the main breaker will have the same effect.


Float Mode:
If the RV is not being used for approximately 48 hours, with a “no load” condition and the shore power is plugged in, the converter will automatically go in to the “Float mode.” In this mode, the converter is charging the battery with a trickle voltage of 13.2 Vdc.
When the converter senses a demand (by turning on lights), the converter automatically returns to the “Absorption mode” 13.6 Vdc.

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