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Old 10-18-2016, 02:52 PM   #51
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Will be sleeping with a Fire extinguisher next to my bed for quite some time when it gets back if I can even sleep.
I have always had a 10 pound fire extinguisher next to my side of the bed. The little fire extinguisher that comes with an RV is about useless.
Besides, there's no way to get out of the little emergency window in the bedroom and I always figured I would be fighting my way out with the fire extinguisher.
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Old 10-18-2016, 03:33 PM   #52
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One method no one mentioned is the twisted wire nuts. Often hidden behind partitions or in junction boxes, if assembled improperly, are a major starting point for fire in enclosed spaces. One member Charlie had a major fire in his GT 378. He searched out all the ac cables and found loose junctures all over the coach. I have found in home and Marine applications. Just sayin unlike terminal strips, these are much less obvious till they breakout. Look for the yellow cable with sloppy black tape, or multiple yellow cables entering a plastic box.
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Old 10-18-2016, 04:27 PM   #53
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Exactly. I might get blasted for this, but the current generation of workers do not have the same work ethics that people of my generation have. I was born in 1950 and I think they just call us the baby boomers, not gen something. Anyway, I always took a lot of pride in whatever I did and I would be terribly disappointed in myself if I did anything less than perfect. Once I moved into management and hiring, I found the older employees usually worked more diligently than the younger ones.

There was a time when "good enough for government work" meant something could pass a rigorous inspection. Now it means that it is slipshod, but just barely acceptable.

And they showed up for work sober(well most of them).


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Old 10-18-2016, 05:06 PM   #54
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I think the current working and marriage situations for many young men and women just melts away the incentives. No, I am not gonna explain myself...don't need my comments deleted.
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Old 10-18-2016, 05:48 PM   #55
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No worries I'm deleting anything been a fun and interesting to talk with you all.
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Old 10-18-2016, 07:15 PM   #56
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On our 2017 Roo they tightened down all the screws on the neutral and ground bars and breakers so tight they stripped out the heads of the screws. They must have used a #2 square drive bit in a cordless impact driver. They smashed the conductors so flat that they would break at the slightest movement. When I swapped the guts of the DC side of WFCO converter to a Boondocker, I could not get the breaker lug loose and ended up having to toss it in the can. I ended up replacing all the breakers and bars on the AC side. I should of pushed Rockwood for reimbursement. Its a shame they ship this garbage.
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Old 10-18-2016, 10:48 PM   #57
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If you remain stuck on that kind of comparison, you will never be happy owning an RV. The manufacturing, design, parts, customization, and use of a car is not comparable to an RV.
I do not understand why using off the shelf wire & connectors from the automotive world would not work in RV use. I have worked on and built automotive systems that pass the equivalent of 50,000 mile durability tests when the vehicle is operated at well over 100% of its normal operating conditions, so I know what it takes to make something work for the projected life of a vehicle and it doesn't cost an arm & a leg either.
But you are correct. RVs are not designed or built to function for more than a few years and a few thousand miles. The RV company doesn't care about the cost of poor quality because they wash their hands of their products and "workmanship" almost the moment the unit is driven off the dealer lot.
To my knowledge there isn't an RV made that has a warranty that "Detroit" had in 1980 and it has been pointed out what can be done when a car company takes quality seriously.
I would have paid $1,000 more for my RV if it came with a 4 year bumper to bumper warranty that I knew would be fixed in a few days (not weeks or months) at a local dealership while I had a loaner made available for my use.
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Old 10-18-2016, 10:58 PM   #58
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If this happened after a couple years I would say maybe it vibrates loose. But this was blatant negligence. We put the same connectors in our truck because they have generators on the shore lines etc. And we have NEVER had an issue like this. I'm sorry but no defending Forest Rivers lack of quality here it is like I said full on negligence.

Tried the App should have pics now.

I would send copies of those pictures to RVIA and ask them how your RV was certified to carry their sticker (that you paid for) as being built to their safety standards.

I would also send the pictures to NHTSA and ask if they care about this type of failure. You could have had a fire while the RV was occupied or even driving down the road and then there might have been fatalities. They have forced recalls on car companies for electrical system faults.
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I would send copies of those pictures to RVIA and ask them how your RV was certified to carry their sticker (that you paid for) as being built to their safety standards.

Good luck with that.

The RVIA could care less about anything being built to any standard. They are in bed with the companies they claim to keep a watchful eye over. A total joke. Greg Gerber at RV Daily Report hits the nail on the head about RVIA in his recent 6 part story about the entire RV Industry and its "issues".

Its the Recreational Vehicle INDUSTRY Association, not the Recreational Vehicle PURCHASER Association.

Although I've seen and know some great ones, I've seen my share of "RVIA certified" techs who were total hacks. Just because you get a certificate for answering a few multiple choice questions means nothing just like slapping some silver sticker on the side of these crappy products means nothing.
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I did send it to the NHTSA I work in the auto industry and was the first place after Forest River it was sent.
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