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07-22-2017, 07:26 PM
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Microair has tested their Easystart unit with both the Honda and Champion 2000 watt inverter generators. The Honda will start a 15k AC unit, the Champion won't.
I have a Champion 3000 watt non-inverter generator that I run on LP and it starts a 15k AC unit with no problem.
Microair's product support is second to none. Unfortunately, there is no price advantage to buying a Honda 2000w and the Microair Easy Start. Might as well buy 2 Champion 2000w units and parellel them.
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07-22-2017, 08:52 PM
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It's just as much about amperage than it is about wattage. Your genny has to be capable of carrying 30 amps to run your AC. I have a 3500 watt genny with a surge of 4000 watts but it won't run AC very long. It seems to kick the breaker on the generator.
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07-22-2017, 09:07 PM
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I have two Honda 2000's paralled for my 5er' that work great.
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07-22-2017, 09:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Whitaker
It's just as much about amperage than it is about wattage. Your genny has to be capable of carrying 30 amps to run your AC. I have a 3500 watt genny with a surge of 4000 watts but it won't run AC very long. It seems to kick the breaker on the generator.
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My 15k AC pulls 13 or 14 amps on startup and it decreases after startup.
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07-22-2017, 10:03 PM
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I would seriously look at a Powerhouse 4 kW Fuel Injected Generator. It does a great job on my 15 k AC units, yes I have run 2. Just make sure you lock the fans on and start one at a time. I leave the Fridge on Propane and nothing else is running except maybe a TV.
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07-22-2017, 10:30 PM
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The OP has possibly determined the brand he is looking by the size(s) he mentioned. I thought the answer he was looking for was this.
"or see if I can parallel a 2000 and a 3000 together"
There or so many choices and solutions that I am a bit overwhelmed.
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07-25-2017, 05:45 AM
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Just saw this this morning. Yes I know it is a Harbor Freight. I beleive it is a new model and I have notice HB moving to better quality stuff recently (how much better?). But the few reviews on it are great and the say runs a 15k A/C.
https://www.harborfreight.com/3500-W...1_c3017a&sfid=
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07-26-2017, 06:14 PM
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This is all good stuff. I think I'm pretty well set on a pair of 2000s from Honda. I know there are other brands for cheaper.
I'm interested in the Microair Easy Start. I'm going to reach out them for some discussions.
I was curious if anyone was paralleling different size generators but it seems that's off-the-wall enough that others aren't. I've read on some other forums that it seems possible, but I don't know that I'm up for experimenting nor if I even need the 5000 combined watts.
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07-26-2017, 06:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ependydad
I'm interested in the Microair Easy Start. I'm going to reach out them for some discussions.
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I'm subscribed to this topic, so feel free to post your questions here .
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07-26-2017, 06:49 PM
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I have a honda e3000 and starts my 15k air without any trouble.
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07-27-2017, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Micro-Air
I'm subscribed to this topic, so feel free to post your questions here .
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I've been doing some reading and am wondering about your recommendation for a generator to go with a 15K Dometic A/C. We travel the country and enjoy spending time in 4-6,000' (much higher than that and I start to complain).
If I can get away with a single Honda EU2000i, that would be great. But if I'm going to have issues running the A/C, then I should plan on a pair of them and paralleling the setup.
The more that I read about the Micro-Air EasyStart, the more impressed I am.
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07-27-2017, 07:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ependydad
I've been doing some reading and am wondering about your recommendation for a generator to go with a 15K Dometic A/C. We travel the country and enjoy spending time in 4-6,000' (much higher than that and I start to complain).
If I can get away with a single Honda EU2000i, that would be great. But if I'm going to have issues running the A/C, then I should plan on a pair of them and paralleling the setup.
The more that I read about the Micro-Air EasyStart, the more impressed I am.
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If you go there "Micro-Air EasyStart" please let me/us know.
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07-27-2017, 10:45 PM
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Ependydad one thing that might make a difference, do you plan on running the gen(s) on gas or propane?
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07-28-2017, 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Wobbles
If you go there "Micro-Air EasyStart" please let me/us know.
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Sure will! You know I'll blog about it, too.
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07-28-2017, 02:16 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SailorSam20500
Ependydad one thing that might make a difference, do you plan on running the gen(s) on gas or propane?
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Gas, almost definitely.
If I did propane, I would assume that I'd need to parallel 2 of them.
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08-23-2017, 11:44 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bikendan
I think a 13.5k will work with that setup, but not a 15k.
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I am able to run one of my 15k using my Yamaha 2400 genny and the Easy Start with no problem.
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08-24-2017, 06:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ependydad
I've been doing some reading and am wondering about your recommendation for a generator to go with a 15K Dometic A/C. We travel the country and enjoy spending time in 4-6,000' (much higher than that and I start to complain).
If I can get away with a single Honda EU2000i, that would be great. But if I'm going to have issues running the A/C, then I should plan on a pair of them and paralleling the setup.
The more that I read about the Micro-Air EasyStart, the more impressed I am.
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Doug. Remember high altitude harder starting a poi lye loss of power with gasoline. Hi test helps. I run a 4 kW powerhouse with fuel injection. This runs 15 k btu no issue. Also everything else I require.
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08-24-2017, 10:03 AM
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Two notes. First, note the peak vs. nominal rating. The Honda 2000 doesn't put out 2000W continuous. It produces 1600W. Generators always have 2 ratings: peak (which will be the model number and the labels) and nominal (which will be de-emphasized). Nominal is the most important number. Size your generator on that. If you figure you need 1750W of power, then a so-called 2000W generator probably isn't big enough.
Second, note the altitude. I think most are rated at 500'. Then, you lose around 3% of power for each 1000' above 500'.
So, let's assume you need 1550W. Honda 2000 fits perfect at 1600W continuous. But, you're going to be camping around Denver at 5500-6500'. So, you lose 15% or more. Now, you're only getting ~1350W. Your generator is now probably underpowered due to altitude.
Rejetting helps, but the key issue is lack of oxygen. Jetting won't put more O2 in the atmosphere.
Good luck.
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08-24-2017, 11:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 67L48
Two notes. First, note the peak vs. nominal rating. The Honda 2000 doesn't put out 2000W continuous. It produces 1600W. Generators always have 2 ratings: peak (which will be the model number and the labels) and nominal (which will be de-emphasized). Nominal is the most important number. Size your generator on that. If you figure you need 1750W of power, then a so-called 2000W generator probably isn't big enough.
Second, note the altitude. I think most are rated at 500'. Then, you lose around 3% of power for each 1000' above 500'.
So, let's assume you need 1550W. Honda 2000 fits perfect at 1600W continuous. But, you're going to be camping around Denver at 5500-6500'. So, you lose 15% or more. Now, you're only getting ~1350W. Your generator is now probably underpowered due to altitude.
Rejetting helps, but the key issue is lack of oxygen. Jetting won't put more O2 in the atmosphere.
Good luck.
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Well covered.
Propane also lowers these numbers on dual fuel models.
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