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Old 05-29-2012, 05:20 PM   #11
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This is very definitely true. If your plan is to run modern TV's, microwaves, laptops,etc, or anything that is microprocessor (computer) controlled from a generator, then that generator MUST be an invertor-generator. The inverter portion of these generators converts the raw 110VAC into a pure (or nearly pure, at least) 110V sign-wave ac source, which the CPU's need. You may not necesarily "fry" your component(s) but they will not run properly....VTX-Al
Not true. Some electronics don't like cheap generators some don't mind
at all. Many electronic items like computers and tablets have chargers
that can handle all kinds of power even 240v and 50 cycle are ok with some.

Do consider the noise. You rarely camp alone. Unless you camp out on
uncle Fred's farm you probably have some neighbors in the vicinity.
Cheap gennys are noisy. I had one and after I saw the looks I was getting
from other folks who walked or drove by I gave it away and got a quiet
Honda. You might think you don't mind the noise but I bet after a short
run you will be thinking otherwise.
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Old 05-29-2012, 06:07 PM   #12
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Not true. Some electronics don't like cheap generators some don't mind
at all. Many electronic items like computers and tablets have chargers
that can handle all kinds of power even 240v and 50 cycle are ok with some.

Do consider the noise. You rarely camp alone. Unless you camp out on
uncle Fred's farm you probably have some neighbors in the vicinity.
Cheap gennys are noisy. I had one and after I saw the looks I was getting
from other folks who walked or drove by I gave it away and got a quiet
Honda. You might think you don't mind the noise but I bet after a short
run you will be thinking otherwise.
I was obviously referring to microprocessor-controlled devices running directly off of the AC supply - not off their DC chargers or batteries.

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Old 05-29-2012, 07:03 PM   #13
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I was obviously referring to microprocessor-controlled devices running directly off of the AC supply - not off their DC chargers or batteries.

...VTX-Al
Designed microprocessors and microcontrollers for years.
Not aware of ANY that can run off the AC supply!!!

All will be "zapped" with 117VAC. for sure.
ALL need a DC - low DC voltage - supply.

The relevant question is what sort of AC=>DC supply
is used. Linear supplies will be very vulnerable to line
noise and fluctuations. Switch Mode Power Supplies (SMPS) will
usually be far more resistant. (Although there will always
be "junk" supplies of all types that perform VERY poorly!)

Using the SMPS AC=>DC supply for my notebook is just
fine with contractor type genset......

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Old 05-29-2012, 07:05 PM   #14
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I have a Champion 3500/4000 and for how I use it, it works great. It handles my 15K AC, TV, lights, and water heater. It's not as quiet as a Honda or Yamaha, but not that much louder. For Wal Mart or Flying J overnights, staying in my brother's back yard or working on the trailer at the storage lot, it's great. I wouldn't use it at a campground as most would find it objectionable. It cost me $230 four years ago. It has run 8 hours non-stop with a load. No problem. It's reliable, it's cheap, it's only 100# which sits on the back of my fiver. I couldn't afford $1200 for the Yamaha I wanted. If you can't afford the red one or blue one, check out the yellow one.
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I have a Champion 3500/4000 and for how I use it, it works great. It handles my 15K AC, TV, lights, and water heater. It's not as quiet as a Honda or Yamaha, but not that much louder. For Wal Mart or Flying J overnights, staying in my brother's back yard or working on the trailer at the storage lot, it's great. I wouldn't use it at a campground as most would find it objectionable. It cost me $230 four years ago. It has run 8 hours non-stop with a load. No problem. It's reliable, it's cheap, it's only 100# which sits on the back of my fiver. I couldn't afford $1200 for the Yamaha I wanted. If you can't afford the red one or blue one, check out the yellow one.
Yeah.
Mine seems to be the same as your - but with a different name.
Louder than inverter style, but much quieter than most contractor
gensets that I have heard. Used it for about 6-7 years, tent camping
on family land. Nearly 20 acres so no neighbor complaints. In fact,
on a heavy extension cord and set back a little distance from the site,
it's only a easily tolerated background noise. And that's sitting
in a tent or in the open....

No problem yet with devices I have powered with it. Don't expect
any. But now with a microwave and A/C to power, I'm gonna check
deeper before I connect them up to genset. Likely no problem,
but it's wise to check, check, and then check again......

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neighbors are not really the issue...it will be mainly used dry camping where the neighbors are the bears, squirrels and deer
dry camping means you DO have neighbors.
what you're talking about is called boondocking.
dry camping is camping in developed campgrounds, without hookups.

boondocking is out in undeveloped areas where there's no one nearby.

if that's what you're doing, get the Champion 3500. under $300 and will run everything, except two a/c's.
and Champion provides excellent customer support.
it's much louder than an inverter gennie, like the Honda but if nobody's around, shouldn't be a problem.
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It's reliable, it's cheap, it's only 100# which sits on the back of my fiver. I couldn't afford $1200 for the Yamaha I wanted. If you can't afford the red one or blue one, check out the yellow one.
With all due respect, in the scheme of a diesel truck and a fiver, affordability would not seem to be a legitimate issue. But I applaud you for using your gennie appropriately from a location perspective.
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If someone started a Champion Generator in the woods 5 miles from the next living person, would someone still post that Honda and Yamaha Inverter generators are quieter???? I use a NON inverter generator when the power goes out (rural)for my bar and my stuff seems to be ok altho I want to make sure I run the experiment for long enough, 15 years just probably will not be long enough to convince some people. That is 2-3 times a summer for usually 10-15 hours each time.
I am not suggesting that people use Champion Generators when trailers are 20 feet from each other. But for alot of us we either camp with full hookups or in the middle of nowhere(boondocking) I use mine for when I need to take a break from driving... either in a truck stop or rest area or wally world and no one can hear mine over the semis and their compressors and trucks.

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Old 05-30-2012, 07:39 AM   #19
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The original poster on the bottom of this thread was asking about inverter generators
vs those without inverters.
His dealer told him he should only consider inverter types.
He's asking us if that's true.

Generators are always a hot topic. Everyone has an opinion. It's akin to asking
which brand of oil is best or which brand of truck tires are best or heck, which
brand of beer is best!!

General consensus is that a Champion genny is a pretty economical alternative to
the more expensive hondas and Yamahas.
Dan, we need more info from you.
Are you wanting to run your roof AC unit or just charge batteries? Do you want
to watch TV or use lap top computers?

For me-- I like quieter gennys. I'm also cheap as I can get by with. I use a little
cigarette socket inverter to watch TV at times. It can also charge a cell phone or
lap top computer. Some trips I don't even start the genny. I can go up to 5 days
with no hookups on just 2 plain ole 12v "deep cycle/crank" marine batteries.
YMMV.

Hope our discussion here has helped you a little!
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Yes. I would still say they are quieter. They are quieter than the Champion. Normally where I camp there is no one within 10 miles or more of me. The quietness is every bit as important to me if camping alone as if I was camping near someone else. I have had louder generators in the past before I bought my Honda. For me the Honda provides a much more enjoyable experience and is worth every penny I spent on it. The bottom line is, buy the generator that makes you happy and fits your budget. If taken care of, a generator should last you many years.
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