Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-28-2016, 05:12 AM   #11
World Wide Wanderer
 
wahoonc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Sprung Leak, NC
Posts: 1,185
Quote:
Originally Posted by mnolasco View Post
I just bought a PI ELECTRICAL MANAGEMENT SYSTEM HW50c. I have not installed it yet. The instructions allow installing after or before the ATS. I know that after also monitors the generator. are there any other advantages or disadvantages to these two options?? Also, any advice on installing myself or should i have the dealer install??
Interesting... I would put it before the ATS. Typically an EMS won't work with a generator due to the floating neutral.

Aaron
__________________

__________________
Aaron & Rhonda
wahoonc & Airangel60

2016 Coachmen Concord 300DS
2015 Fusion Hybrid following along
wahoonc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2016, 10:57 AM   #12
Citrus County, Fl.
 
GL1800Rider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Hernando, Fl
Posts: 1,045
Not sure what you mean by "won't work". Mine works fine. I would think of it wouldn't work progressive would not print it in their instructions
__________________

__________________
2016 Forester 3011DS
2015 Toyota Corrola S toad
PREVIOUS: 2015 Flagstaff 832IKBS
99 Terry 31G
GL1800Rider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2016, 11:04 AM   #13
Senior Member
 
fonzie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Eastern Ontario
Posts: 3,160
On board generators has the neutral grounded, so there should no issues with using Progressive EMS before or after transfer switch....
__________________
Fonzie
2011 Rockwood 8319SS with ProPride 3P hitch/GoodYear Marathons/TST TPMS 507
2008 F250 Lariat CC SB 6.8L V10 4.10 axle ratio (NITTO TERRA GRAPLER G2 LT275/65R20E)
Yamaha 3000iseb generator:Progressive Ind. EMS-HW30C : Eastern Ontario
Nights Camped: 2011(21) 2012(36) 2013 (17) 2014 (18) 2015 (18) 2016 (36) 2017 (4)
fonzie is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2016, 06:37 AM   #14
Senior Member
 
Witch Doctor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Clarksville Va.
Posts: 7,188
Quote:
Originally Posted by GL1800Rider View Post
Not sure what you mean by "won't work". Mine works fine. I would think of it wouldn't work progressive would not print it in their instructions
KUDO'S to you, most men won't read the manufacturer's installation instructions, but we seem to all have opinions and that's all they are.....
__________________
Rockwood #8289 WS 2012
F250 6.0 / Husky 16k
With 4 point leveling system
Witch Doctor is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2016, 07:16 AM   #15
Fulltime family RVer
 
ependydad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 13,771
Quote:
Originally Posted by GL1800Rider View Post
Not sure what you mean by "won't work". Mine works fine. I would think of it wouldn't work progressive would not print it in their instructions

I have a comment on my blog post where down one says that Progressive Industries emphatically said their EMS don't work with generators.

http://learntorv.com/what-surge-prot...est-for-my-rv/

I didn't ask PI about it directly, but I think I will email them.
__________________
2012 Ram 3500 DRW/crew cab/long bed/4x4/4.10 gears pulling an early 2013 Sabre 36QBOK
Checkout my site for RVing tips, tricks, and info | My family and I have fulltimed since June 2015
ependydad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2016, 07:31 AM   #16
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 144
My PI unit has "not worked" twice and I had to disable (bypass) it. Once the ground connections at the entire beach campground were weak and the other time a weak current did not allow the unit to function. The PI units have a automatic current and ground fault detection. If they read any abnormalities they will not send current to your RV, which is why you bought the unit in the first place. Just doing it's job.
I am not sure about generators, but based on past performance and design, I can see why it would not work with that type of a cyclic power source.
__________________
Wheels Down is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2016, 11:25 AM   #17
World Wide Wanderer
 
wahoonc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Sprung Leak, NC
Posts: 1,185
Quote:
Originally Posted by fonzie View Post
On board generators has the neutral grounded, so there should no issues with using Progressive EMS before or after transfer switch....
Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch Doctor View Post
KUDO'S to you, most men won't read the manufacturer's installation instructions, but we seem to all have opinions and that's all they are.....
I am basing my "opinion" on quite a few years of experience. Many generators used to come with a floating neutral, and many still do. Unless PI has come up with some method of detecting and bypassing their sensors (possible) it won't work with many generators. Yes some of the newer ones are now bonding the neutral with the ground. Again I think the PI might have a problem with that. I haven't had a PI in a couple of years, however I KNOW that my current SurgeGuard will not work with any of the generators I have tried it with, RV, Inverter or larger house sized standby.

Also directions are only as good as the manufacturer and person following them make them. I seen many a set of manufacturers directions that went completely against the basic laws of physics, when pointed out the usual response seemed to be, oops or that was for a previous model.

Aaron
__________________
Aaron & Rhonda
wahoonc & Airangel60

2016 Coachmen Concord 300DS
2015 Fusion Hybrid following along
wahoonc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2016, 07:29 PM   #18
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 78
If you need it you will be glad you have one. What would the cost be to replace your electrical eqipment. I always use one as cheap insurance.
__________________
sk734 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2016, 08:09 PM   #19
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 236
Another vote for the Progressive unit. I finally came across issue and it did it's job. Low voltage at River Falls at Tallulah Gorge.
__________________
2016 Flagstaff 27VRL with overloaded tires from factory
2015 Chevy Silverado
Paul GA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2016, 08:46 PM   #20
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 1,201
The difference of opinion of the Progressive Industries EMS "Won't Work with Generators" may be because some are talking about a portable generator supplying a trailer and others are talking about an on-board generator that supplies a motorhome through a transfer switch.

The on-board Onan generator on our Sunseeker 3100 supplies power just fine through the factory automatic transfer switch, then through a hard-wired PI EMS-30C.
__________________

__________________
RamblerGuy
2011 Sunseeker 3100
1997 Pathfinder Toad
RamblerGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




ForestRiverForums.com is not in any way associated with Forest River, Inc. or its associated RV manufacturing divisions.

Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:43 AM.