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Old 08-14-2014, 10:09 AM   #1
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Shocked by Frame to Ground

While packing up to come home from the Rally, I got a shock when touching a tire hub and kneeling on the ground. It was not "a lot" but it got my attention.

More of a tickle than a strong shock, I was still concerned.

At our intermediate stop, the shock I got was much stronger when touching any frame part while kneeling on (or touching) the ground.

The Franks was not complaining about this so I assumed (correctly as it turned out) that incoming power was not the problem.

Home, I metered power from the metal to the dirt and got 39 volts AC and 14 volts DC. Scratched my head for a while and decided it had to be a neutral/ground problem and traced it to a bad connection where the Neutral and the Camper Ground were bonded to the frame.

Removed, cleaned and reinstalled the screw/terminals and we are now back in the "No Shock" zone.
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Old 08-14-2014, 10:52 PM   #2
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Thanks for the post Herk. The neutral is a current carrying conductor. Bad connection can very well energize the frame and any metal parts attached to it. I have seen that happen in tin mobile homes also.
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Old 08-14-2014, 11:01 PM   #3
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I worked for the phone company for a few yrs a while back and we had a meter that we were required to check mobile homes with before we did any work. Mobile homes can get energized enough that it can hurt you severely.
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Any chance you took a "before" picture?
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Old 08-15-2014, 02:04 AM   #5
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You mentioned the "No Shock Zone." I take it you're familiar with Mike Sokol?
http://www.noshockzone.org/rv-electrical-safety-part-iv-hot-skin/
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Thanks for passing the info along knowledge is a very important part of RVing safety. I had forgotten (doing more of that lately) We had the same issue with 1988 Terry a many moons ago.

Last month I had to rescue a camping neighbor that got his arm caught in his awning as he put it away looked painful...........


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Any chance you took a "before" picture?
Doug, that WAS a "before" picture!

The corrosion was rust at the threads and under the bolt head.
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Old 08-15-2014, 07:09 AM   #8
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You mentioned the "No Shock Zone." I take it you're familiar with Mike Sokol?
http://www.noshockzone.org/rv-electrical-safety-part-iv-hot-skin/
Excellent article. Will also check for that just in case.
Re-bonding seems to have fixed it, but perhaps the now solid ground is masking my problem. Will let you know.

If the Neutral and Hot were reversed at the campground, the power conditioner should have alerted me with a "red" indicator light though...

Also you would have 120 volts between the Neutral Buss and the "Ground" (green/bare wire) Buss if the Neutral/Hot was switched (Reverse Polarity) at the campground (or at the socket - in the article).

There was less than a volt when measured between those two; yet 39 volts between the frame and the dirt outside.
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Would this normally be located on the frame close to the converter or near where shore power is connected?

Might be good to check this periodically.
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Would this normally be located on the frame close to the converter or near where shore power is connected?

Might be good to check this periodically.
It was directly under the converter at the frame.

The green wire went directly from the converter's ground buss to the frame (via a hole in the floor) and the Neutral from the converter's buss went to another Neutral buss screwed to the floor; and then to the frame via the same hole as the green ground wire.
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