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Old 06-29-2017, 07:58 PM   #1
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So, a six weeks ago I installed:
  • 3*315W Canadian Solar panels (they put out about 9A @ 35W on spec
  • Solar Combiner box off Ebay, 3*15A breakers wired in parallel
  • Integrated solar charger/inverter (24V, 3kw pure sine inverter, 90A charger, MPPT controller)
  • Victron BMV-702 Battery Monitor (uses shunt)
  • 4 GC2 6V batteries wires with 2/0 cable

I'm parked seasonally so I built a stand alone battery box outside the RV and put the inverter and wiring into a rear compartment in my Surveyor SP295. Panels are mounted on the roof. My site is partially shaded for most of the morning, gets strong sun for four hours (when it shines of course ), then there's a couple hour break and two good hours of evening sun. The site is neither what an average camper would call full sun nor shady...in the middle and probably a good estimate of the 'average' campsite.

My use was defined by two things, one, however, foolish is that I wanted to run my outdoor fridge in the outdoor kitchen and be able to leave beverages and such...cold for when you get here. And second, was to be able to work a bit at the lake when here, so basic stuff like charging phones and running laptops with clean power. The larger inverter helps by having a large charger (using 40-60A max rate) and that we can run the microwave for baby food and quick stuff for kids. It also has enough capacity that it's no overwhelmed or struggling with simultaneous load.

The results are...well, predictable. My gut was that solar yields would be smaller than the 3 hrs that solar vendors predict and that I'd need to top up with the generator when use was heavy or sun is weak.

What it does:
-keeps the batteries topped right up while away, runs fridges and parasitic stuff with ease
-nearly keeps up on sunny days with heavier use of ~60-80AH a day, keep in mind it's 24V so that's ~1,800W a day
-can keep up with use of 40-60W per day ~1,300W per day
-peaks at ~28A or ~700W

What it doesn't do:
-generate much at all on mixed cloud or overcast days. It yields 200-300W in those conditions from the panels but that doesn't cut it
-can't keep up to 'work' type use, ie in the trailer charging phone, running laptop, inverter running all day

Most of this information is on the basis that the inverter is running all the time including night. Night time draw is ~100-200W and begins around 8 pm till about 9 am, at that point solar starts offsetting. The overall discharge is typically 50-70A.

If I plan on heavy use I need to do a couple hours of charge (just like without solar) in the morning. If it's a good sun day I don't need to run the generator again in the evening.

If its moderate use, I can let the solar deal with it.

Hope this helps.

Bottom line for others is I think I'd equip an RV with no less than two panels, 630W if it didn't have an inverter. If I wanted it to be more self sufficient I'd go with the flat flexible panels on the roof for closer to 2,000W, that's what it would take for full time use. Occasional generator use would still be required.

The inverter eats about 50W when running.
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Old 06-30-2017, 06:56 AM   #2
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How do you have the batteries wired?
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Old 06-30-2017, 11:41 AM   #3
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Good question! Forgot to mention the 24/12V stepdown transformer. The 12V service is fed by the battery feed through the stepdown transformer (which is silent) and directly into the 12V distribution panel in the WFCO box.

The 120 is wired directly into the AC distribution panel and the WFCO converter was unwired. The solar inverter contains a transfer switch.
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Old 06-30-2017, 12:15 PM   #4
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Are you running 12 or 24v? If running 12v, you can wire in series parallel and have lots of capacity. For reference if you had (4) 90ah batteries, you would have 180ah of capacity.
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Old 06-30-2017, 12:26 PM   #5
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The RV is, of course, a 12V system. The solar inverter is 24V.
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Old 06-30-2017, 03:03 PM   #6
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If your system is just nearly keeping up at full sun (60-80 AH/day usage) I would say your system is not operating properly.
I use 40-45 AH a day and my 200 watts have the batteries charged back up by mid day.
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Old 07-05-2017, 01:05 PM   #7
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Full sun solves all the issues, I've lots of panel to deal with that, keep in mind it's a 24V system so 80AH is four times your 40AH.
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I'm running 600 watts of panels (pair of panels wired in series than pairs output wired parallel) with 3 sets of 232 amp-hour paired golf cart batteries and with my power usage, never worry about needing to fire up the generator. We only turn on our 1500 watt inverter when we need it as it can use 0.8 amp-hrs in standby mode.

Usually see 40 amp charge rate going to the batteries which rarely go below 70%.

Will add another 3 panels next Spring to up the voltage to reduce losses in wiring (about 1.4% right now) and allow MPPT solar controller to demonstrate improved efficiency at those voltages.
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Full sun solves all the issues, I've lots of panel to deal with that, keep in mind it's a 24V system so 80AH is four times your 40AH.
Thanks, I just never thought of it being 4 times the AH.
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Old 07-07-2017, 11:57 AM   #10
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Not sure I was clear on that:

your case: 40 AH * 12.8V = 512 WH
my case: 80 AH * 25.6V = 2,048 WH
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Old 07-20-2017, 08:37 AM   #11
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So what size mppt controller would 2 150 watt panels, with a possible future addition of another 100 watt panel, require?
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You might get by with a 20A controller, but the cost difference between 20A and 40A is less than 50% and you have margin to grow. I you are certain you will only add a 100W panel in the future, I would go for 30A
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I'd go up to a 40 amp or 60 amp controller and spend the money up front.

You can get away with a slightly smaller controller if you up the voltage of your panels by using either 24 volt panels or panels in series. My RV has 600 watts of panels and I use a 40 amp controller. I have 3 groups of two 100 watt panels wired in series for 24 volts and then those 3 groups are then run parallel to the solar converter.

I use about 100-120 amp/day with half of that usage occurring at niight and early morning from runnng heater all night (even in summer nights it gets cold at 10k feet), microwave for dinner/popcorn, TV/DVD player, entertainment system, and microwave/coffee maker for breakfast and hairdryer in early am.

With full sun, I've seen 45 amps going to the batteries and on very overcast days I typically get about 4 amps/hour which is better then nothing!

I'm thinking of adding 3 more panels and going to 36 volts and upgrading to a 60 amp controller. I think 900 watts would be perfect for us even on overcast and shady days.

Next years project: RV SWAMP COOLER so I can get some cool air in the camper on occasion instead of running generator for AC. Can't wait!

BTW, Renogy or lightcatcher is what I use for my install and solar installs on customer's campers.
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Old 07-20-2017, 09:44 AM   #14
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My roof is too small to add much more. I was going to go with the two 150 watt panels, and 30 amp controller.
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Old 07-20-2017, 12:22 PM   #15
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I actually read that one 30 amp controller was good for only 390 watts, so if I did add another 100 watt panel it wouldn't be able to harvest all of the watts?
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My unit came with 200w and a 30A PWM controller. I added another 300w, on the same controller. I could bring in 29.9A on the controller.

Recently upgraded to a 100A MPPT solar controller, and will be adding another 1KW next summer.
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I actually read that one 30 amp controller was good for only 390 watts, so if I did add another 100 watt panel it wouldn't be able to harvest all of the watts?

If you wire your system's solar panels for 24 volts to the solar controller, at 24 volts, you'll be at about 21 amps and below your 30 amp controller capacity.

Power (watts) = I (amps) x E (Voltage)

Therefore, Watts/Voltage = Amps

490 watts solar panels divided 24 volts= 20.51 amps GOOD TO GO!

If you read my previous post, this is how I'm able to run 600 watts of solar panels with a 40 amp controller. If I wired my panels at 12 volts, I'd be over my amperage but wiring them at 24 volts did the trick and saved me some money!
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I think you are going to confuse the OP by stating that the panels should be wired to the controller at 24 volts.

The controller can handle twice the wattage from the panels if the battery bank is wired at 24 volts.
If you have a 12 volt system (battery bank) then a a 30 amp controller will handle 390 watts of solar. If the system is 24 volt (battery bank) then the controller will handle 780 watts of solar
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So maybe a 40 amp mppt controller since I am still shopping. I have to keep this as simple as I can, I never did anything electrical before.
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I'm going to look out my upstairs window at my Roo tomorrow morning, to see if there really is no more useable space on my roof. I'm pretty sure it will be full up.
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