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Old 02-28-2016, 12:35 PM   #121
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With info like this, please do! Excellent information. Was this your master's thesis or something, ha. Kidding. Really thanks for sharing this. I'm learning.

Question: So if I'm dry camping and discharging to say 60% and bringing the charge back up to maybe 80% each night with the generator (due to time constaints) Is that going to decrease the life of the batteries? Once I get home should I do a high rate charge as you described to bring them back to a storage level? thanks.
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Old 02-28-2016, 12:48 PM   #122
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I would seriously doubt if that is true for equalization and there is no mention of this in the manual. It seems that the voltage might be high enough in this mode, but the charger detects this automatically and I know of no way for this to be true. Sulfation is another thing entirely. In addition, Schumacher chargers are considered suspect by some. Personally I don't have one.
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Old 02-28-2016, 01:31 PM   #123
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I own one and it does automatically de-sulf batterys as stated.
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With info like this, please do! Excellent information. Was this your master's thesis or something, ha. Kidding. Really thanks for sharing this. I'm learning.

Question: So if I'm dry camping and discharging to say 60% and bringing the charge back up to maybe 80% each night with the generator (due to time constaints) Is that going to decrease the life of the batteries? Once I get home should I do a high rate charge as you described to bring them back to a storage level? thanks.
You got it.... if you continually deplete the batteries below 50% and "short charge" them, it will decrease it's life. You're going to want to get more capacity or less usage if you can. Still if you take a little special care when you have time, that care will work in your favor.
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Old 02-28-2016, 01:39 PM   #125
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...Question: So if I'm dry camping and discharging to say 60% and bringing the charge back up to maybe 80% each night with the generator (due to time constaints) Is that going to decrease the life of the batteries? Once I get home should I do a high rate charge as you described to bring them back to a storage level? thanks.
Good question and from what I can tell, discharges like that are not a problem.

Strangely, considering that flooded cells have been around for a long time, there are still some mysteries. When you discharge a lead acid battery, lead sulfate begins to form on the plates. This is a normal and reversible process and the sulfate will go back into the electrolyte when you charge again. It seems that for a while the sulfate is amorphous (no crystals) and is easily dissolved again on charging. When you deep discharge a battery there is an increased probability that this sulfate will form crystals and they are harder to reverse than amorphous sulfate. Hence when you go over 50% you will begin to form crystalline lead sulfate and some of this may not go away on recharge. When that happens, the battery permanently loses capacity. You can measure a good resting voltage but when you try to draw current the voltage will drop more rapidly as the cells don't store as much charge as they first did. One thing that is pretty well accepted though is that if you do go beyond 50% don't leave the battery in that state for very long. Immediately recharge it!

As a result, the normal 10,20 or even 40% discharge cycles should not have a permanent effect on the battery. Charge it back whenever. I did mention that without a Trimetric you don't know any of this stuff and with one you will start to get into information overload. I have 4-12 volt batteries in my rig and I told the Trimetric that my bank is 400 AH, which is conservative. Remember that the meter is only counting discharge current integrated over time. If you tell it your bank is larger than it is, it will give you a false sense of security on SOC. Electron counting is the only way it is working and while it tells you the voltage it really isn't doing much with that.

But at least you aren't looking at 4 red LEDs and trying to figure out how much reserve you have left and if you should start the generator and you aren't measuring resting voltage and looking at a chart either.

Now all of this is pretty well accepted. Beyond this there are snake oil treatments, ultrasonic de-sulfation and a whole bunch of other potential magic. Finally, there are some who add a couple of ounces of mineral oil to each cell and swear by it. Mineral oil does make sense and I think they may be right but I haven't decided to try that yet on my batteries, but I think I will get there.
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What gauge of cable should you use between the two 6 volt batteries?
There is only one connecting cable between the two six volt batteries.
You should make that cable as short as possible and as big in diameter as you can find (to reduce inter-battery resistance). 4/0 welding cable if you can find it.

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I picked this up yesterday at pepboy's on the way home with the new 6 volts. Seems to work. A tad long but this was the shortest they had.

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When that happens, the battery permanently loses capacity. You can measure a good resting voltage but when you try to draw current the voltage will drop more rapidly as the cells don't store as much charge as they first did.
Can you see this loss with a hydrometer? I've got a12v that I think this is the issue. It charges up, measures fully charged voltage but the hydrometer floats in the white area closer to the red than green. Is that's what's going on. The battery works but draws down quicker and seems to charge quicker also. I think.
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Yea, they seem to be pretty good. Made in USA according to the specs if that's worth anything. Free replacement for a year.
I got a call from Batteries Plus (as expected) to tell me they didn't have the batteries in stock. But, they had an order into "East Penn" and they should be getting them in stock around the middle of this week.
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You got it.... if you continually deplete the batteries below 50% and "short charge" them, it will decrease it's life. You're going to want to get more capacity or less usage if you can. Still if you take a little special care when you have time, that care will work in your favor.
Thanks, I'm going to work hard to prevent discharge below 50%.

this link looks helpful

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