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01-03-2016, 11:09 PM
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Wire diagram for 120v in Concord 30ts
I have lost the neutral on the 120v outlet that is located in the right cabinet next to the TV and above the Radio. The outlet is dead I have the hot lead black lead to ground but no neutral. The wire in question disappears into the ceiling leading to ????? If I can find the other end I can fix it myself. All the other outlets work fine. I would really like to get it fixed so that I can watch the SuperBowl on my Sat TV in the coach. Thanks
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01-03-2016, 11:19 PM
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Seriously doubt if such a thing exists for the consumer. Definitely nothing online.
Your best chance is contact the manufacturer.
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01-03-2016, 11:33 PM
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I have tried by email, no answer, guess I'll have to call. Thanks
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01-03-2016, 11:36 PM
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you might try this as it happens in house wiring also. the outlet that feeds the one that is bad might have a fuse link bad(metal tab that connects the upper and lower socket) sometimes the feed the top socket and from the lower socket they run that to another outlet. If you have used say like a heater / hotplate on the feed outlet and the tv was on it ight of put to could of blown that fuse link. try checking other outlets to see if all the sockets are good. hope you can understand what I'm trying to say.
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01-03-2016, 11:51 PM
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RV's do not use the same type of plugs (sockets) they are "blade connectors" into non stripped wires and then crimped. If you look at the circuit box, it is smaller than a home circuit box. I am in the process of converting this to a home type box as long as it is already open.
Thanks!
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01-04-2016, 05:56 AM
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You will never find a diagram, for some reason they refuse to give them out. I tried to get one from FR they said no because it depends on who installed it on the line. A good place to start is find out which outlets are on that circuit. Then check for the neutral at each. It could have come loose at another socket, unless it's a home run breaker to it. I had to trace my own to find out which plugs where on what GFI being I have two. To my surprise I found 7 outlets on one. About the same as DougP posted in #4
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01-04-2016, 01:27 PM
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Agreed
Never dealt with an RV mfg that refused to give out wiring or plumbing diagrams. Their excuste to me was that there are none and the line wires things as they want. If that's true it is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. That said, I would cut the power to that outlet and then see what else is dead. Take those outlets apart and check individually to see if there is a loose or corroded connection.
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01-04-2016, 01:34 PM
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All of the outlets are on one circuit with a GFI. The GRI is working because the other circuits work. I guess my next question is how do I run a new wire through the ceiling from another plug to the dead one. I don't care where I get the juice, just need to get it. I don't suppose that FR gives out their construction plans either. Getting frustrated.
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01-04-2016, 01:55 PM
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Since everything is on the same GFI circuit...could you simply disconnect the existing wiring (capping and taping the leads)....and then run a jumper triax from the closest nearby socket along the easiest path for you to wire?
If your black & gnd are good...you might just get by running a singe white which would be easier to fish through.
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01-04-2016, 02:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by camaraderie
Since everything is on the same GFI circuit...could you simply disconnect the existing wiring (capping and taping the leads)....and then run a jumper triax from the closest nearby socket along the easiest path for you to wire?
If your black & gnd are good...you might just get by running a singe white which would be easier to fish through.
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Hopefully camaraderie misspoke but please do not attempt to use triax cable for 110v AC wiring.
It is designed for camera/TV multiplexing and test equipment.
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01-04-2016, 02:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 5picker
Hopefully camaraderie misspoke but please do not attempt to use triax cable for 110v AC wiring.
It is designed for camera/TV multiplexing and test equipment.
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For sure...what I call triax is 3 wire home wiring in a protective sleeve. Generally labled 12-3 or 14-3 depending on gauge required. Good catch and sorry for any confusion. Triplex not Triax!
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01-04-2016, 02:20 PM
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Pickin', Campin', Mason
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Quote:
Originally Posted by camaraderie
For sure...what I call triax is 3 wire home wiring in a protective sleeve. Generally labled 12-3 or 14-3 depending on gauge required. Good catch and sorry for any confusion.
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That is typically referred to as Romex.
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01-04-2016, 02:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 5picker
Hopefully camaraderie misspoke but please do not attempt to use triax cable for 110v AC wiring.
It is designed for camera/TV multiplexing and test equipment.
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X2 and Don't try a Kings Connector either
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01-04-2016, 08:09 PM
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You can get a wire tacer at amazon for 25-35 dollars. It will trace unenergized wires. Follow the beep to the next outlet or to the point it is broke,
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01-04-2016, 09:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by camaraderie
For sure...what I call triax is 3 wire home wiring in a protective sleeve. Generally labled 12-3 or 14-3 depending on gauge required. Good catch and sorry for any confusion. Triplex not Triax!
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That would be SO cord not Romex. Romex would be solid strand not multi strand. Just trying to help if someone was going to buy some.
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01-04-2016, 10:06 PM
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Pickin', Campin', Mason
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DougP47
That would be SO cord not Romex. Romex would be solid strand not multi strand. Just trying to help if someone was going to buy some.
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That is correct. SO cord.
Cam edited his post to include that photo AFTER I posted and I was simply going on his description when I posted romex.
It is also not triplex, as was later called. Triplex is the large service entrance cable that comes from the pole to the house.
Maybe the mods could clean up these posts so future viewers have less confusion.
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