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Old 03-08-2014, 04:27 PM   #1
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3500 lb Torsion Axles

I have a 2014 Flagstaff 27RLWS with a unloaded weight of 6300lbs and can have up to 1438 lbs of cargo for a total of around 7738 lbs. My Axles are 3500lb. Axles for a total of 7000 lbs. My question is are the Axles large enough for this camper.
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Old 03-08-2014, 04:39 PM   #2
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Dry hitch weight is 550 pounds. More when you add cargo. So you need to subtract that from your weight figures. The 3500lb axles are fine as long as you don't overload.
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Old 03-08-2014, 05:48 PM   #3
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Old 03-09-2014, 12:01 PM   #4
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Same weight numbers game I have problems with. If the Trailer weighs 6300 dry (I would weight it to make sure) and you have 7000lb axles you have 700lbs of capacity plus whatever the tongue weight is. If the tongue weight is 500 lbs then you have a maximum of 1200lbs capacity.

So every pound over 700 you put in the trailer has to be on the tongue. In my case that is virtually impossible. (8265wss 5th with 7000lb axles - 9300 max capacity). I will almost bet yours weighs more than 6300 dry. I will also bet the water tanks are near the axles so if you add any water you decrease your 700lb capacity.
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I am not seeing the problem. It is a Flagstaff Super Lite TT. It is specifically manufactured to be light weight and have limited carrying capacity. If a person wanted a TT with more capacity why would they even look at something designated Super Lite? The axles are rated to give the best ride quality while still holding to the Super Lite design of lighter weight construction and materials. It is simply not manufactured or designed to haul heavier loads.
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Same weight numbers game I have problems with. If the Trailer weighs 6300 dry (I would weight it to make sure) and you have 7000lb axles you have 700lbs of capacity plus whatever the tongue weight is. If the tongue weight is 500 lbs then you have a maximum of 1200lbs capacity.

So every pound over 700 you put in the trailer has to be on the tongue. In my case that is virtually impossible. (8265wss 5th with 7000lb axles - 9300 max capacity). I will almost bet yours weighs more than 6300 dry. I will also bet the water tanks are near the axles so if you add any water you decrease your 700lb capacity.
I plan to follow this thread to see what everyones thoughts are as I too have a 27RLWS. My TT has been weighed and I will post numbers later, but if I recall correctly my TT dry weight is 6328lbs, tongue weight of 657lbs and gross weight with my tow vehicle 12,380lbs. I will post my weights later so everyone can view. My guess is that "cat1956" will be close to what I have +/- 100lbs.
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Old 03-09-2014, 01:39 PM   #7
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Remember when they get the weight of the trailer at the factory, it is minus battery and propane tanks. Thats your dry weight. It's the last thing they do before it leaves the factory. I'm sure you know that. They do not give you much wiggle room. I think they should have put 4000 lb axles myself.
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When we had our TT that was the same question I had as well... The math is just so close that it made me uncomfortable.

Now, go take a look at your tires -- those are probably load range C which are (if I remember correctly) about 1600lbs each. So, you are right on the limits of those as well.

I really hated how "close" to the limits everything was...
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When we had our TT that was the same question I had as well... The math is just so close that it made me uncomfortable.

Now, go take a look at your tires -- those are probably load range C which are (if I remember correctly) about 1600lbs each. So, you are right on the limits of those as well.

I really hated how "close" to the limits everything was...
You couldn't have made a truer statement.....
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I totally agree on the tires! They are rated just on the edge of safety. NOT enough of a safety margin in my opinion. Axles are another story. An axle rating is set to allow for the best ride support without too much bounce for a loaded condition. If you put too heavy of torsion axle on a trailer, you end up with a significant bounce and jarring situation that could can lead to damage of other components in the trailer (especially on lightweight built trailers). If you are over loaded on an axle, it does not blow out like a tire and potentially cause catastrophic results. It would simply sag the trailer suspension and possibly bottom out the suspension. I assume that when Forest River designs the RV, they figure out how much everything will weigh and order the appropriate torsion axle for that specific weight range. I would respectfully suggest that having the axle weights right at what they are rated for is actually a positive situation. They would provide suspension stiffness in the exact "sweet spot" that would be best for the trailer. If you need a RV that can support heavier amounts of cargo, I would think it would be best to buy a trailer designed to carry it. On such a RV everything else from the frame to the other building materials is usually heavier built in order to carry heavier loads as well as not shake apart when empty and bouncy. Think of it this way..., you wouldn't put leaf springs from a full size 1 ton pickup on a Toyota mini pickup. The little truck would be way too bouncy on the road and they are simply not built to carry the payload a 1 ton does.
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