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07-17-2014, 09:32 PM
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5er landing gear questions
I have a 2010 Brookstone 360RL that is giving me problems. It doesn't want to lift the hitch pin high enough to engage my hitch. As I raise the camper, the motor begins slowing down (on shore power) and finally the gearbox begins chattering and it refuses to go any higher. I can attach the manual crank and with another person holding the extend switch I can raise it manually.
1. What locks the landing gear at any height?
2. Can I remove the motor and gearbox without fear of the legs retracting?
3. How can I identify the manufacturer of the landing gear, motor and gearbox?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Nick
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07-17-2014, 09:40 PM
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Not sure if this will help or not, but we don't lower the camper onto the hitch. Simply get the hitch high enough and the back the truck into it. The truck will squat and the hitch engages.
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07-17-2014, 09:44 PM
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Sounds more like your battery(s) are gone. Before you mess with the motor, try putting a GOOD full charged battery on it. Don't rely on the converter or the batteries in the unit.
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07-17-2014, 09:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldCoot
Sounds more like your battery(s) are gone. Before you mess with the motor, try putting a GOOD full charged battery on it. Don't rely on the converter or the batteries in the unit.
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07-18-2014, 05:54 AM
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Are you at "end of travel"? This has happened to me before when I was parked on a slope.
The truck loaded allowed me to drop the adjustable part of the legs to the ground and disconnect, but I was very near the full extension of the motor driven part of the landing gear by the time I had enough weight off to disconnect.
When I went to hook up, I could not get enough altitude to back the truck into the hitch.
I had to use wooden blocks to support the frame so I could get more of the adjustable part down.
I extended the landing gear as far up as I could; blocked the frame on both sides and retracted the landing gear a foot or so; then dropped the legs again until they hit the ground. I re-pinned them; extended the landing gear to lift the frame off the supports and connected normally.
Now, when I am on a slope, I always plan ahead on how much "leg" to drop so I have full use of the motor driven part when I need to connect.
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07-18-2014, 05:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldCoot
Sounds more like your battery(s) are gone. Before you mess with the motor, try putting a GOOD full charged battery on it. Don't rely on the converter or the batteries in the unit.
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Originally Posted by HSVBamaBob
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Pretty sure he said he was on shore power. Batteries should not be an issue at that point.
At least they are not on my W&P.
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07-18-2014, 06:21 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Herk7769
Are you at "end of travel"? This has happened to me before when I was parked on a slope.
The truck loaded allowed me to drop the adjustable part of the legs to the ground and disconnect, but I was very near the full extension of the motor driven part of the landing gear by the time I had enough weight off to disconnect.
When I went to hook up, I could not get enough altitude to back the truck into the hitch.
I had to use wooden blocks to support the frame so I could get more of the adjustable part down.
I extended the landing gear as far up as I could; blocked the frame on both sides and retracted the landing gear a foot or so; then dropped the legs again until they hit the ground. I re-pinned them; extended the landing gear to lift the frame off the supports and connected normally.
Now, when I am on a slope, I always plan ahead on how much "leg" to drop so I have full use of the motor driven part when I need to connect.
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I concur!
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07-18-2014, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 036.6turbo
Pretty sure he said he was on shore power. Batteries should not be an issue at that point.
At least they are not on my W&P.
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The if the battery(s) are bad/dead, the landing jack motor will not receive enough power to work to full power off the converter alone. Disconnect your batteries and try it.
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07-18-2014, 07:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldCoot
The if the battery(s) are bad/dead, the landing jack motor will not receive enough power to work to full power off the converter alone. Disconnect your batteries and try it.
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X2 if the battery is dead land gear and slideouts will not work properly even if plugged in.
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07-18-2014, 07:40 AM
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I always extend my legs down about 4" or so depending on the spot, then drop the legs. My driveway slopes down so I learned that I need that 4" to level the unit off. If I just pull the pin there is noway to drop the unit front end to make it level. So I really now just do it all the time.
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07-18-2014, 07:42 AM
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X3 OldCoot and camper1999
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07-18-2014, 07:59 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldCoot
The if the battery(s) are bad/dead, the landing jack motor will not receive enough power to work to full power off the converter alone. Disconnect your batteries and try it.
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Hmm. I have done that. Mine works fine with no battery in it? I bought mine as a repo unit, battery was stone dead when I went to pick it up. First few times I had to get it on and off of my truck, was on shore power. Seemed to work fine?
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07-18-2014, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 036.6turbo
Hmm. I have done that. Mine works fine with no battery in it? I bought mine as a repo unit, battery was stone dead when I went to pick it up. First few times I had to get it on and off of my truck, was on shore power. Seemed to work fine?
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You're lucky. Mine won't.
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07-18-2014, 08:09 AM
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The similar problem I had with my old carri-lite was a bent leg. I used a hydraulic jack to lift the camper to take pressure off legs and motor to get it on the truck. When I changed it out with a new one it worked fine. I'm just assuming that you have a fifth wheel.
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07-18-2014, 09:34 AM
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Great replies but......
Thanks to all for your comments.
The battery is brand new and I am connected to shore power. I got the same results when connected to the truck power with engine running. Using only the battery there is not enough current available to get the motor to lift the camper.
Low power would not address the chattering gearbox, more like a chipped tooth.
Weighed the rig last week, camper is 14460, about 600 pounds under max. However I'm getting a pin weight of 3288, 700 over Coachmen specs. I find this unbelievable based on the little we carry forward of the axles but the landing gear issues would tend to indicate this is correct maybe?
Dry weight is specified at 12,100 and I estimated we have no more than 1000 in cargo, pretty much the same stuff we had in our Sundance 2800RL and it weighed in at 10200 loaded.
I have never been to end of travel when raising the camper, there has really been no need to get that high to engage the hitch. The legs are marked in red for end of travel on retraction.
Still need to know if I can remove the motor and gearbox without hooking up to the truck.
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07-18-2014, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick M
Thanks to all for your comments.
The battery is brand new and I am connected to shore power. I got the same results when connected to the truck power with engine running. Using only the battery there is not enough current available to get the motor to lift the camper.
Low power would not address the chattering gearbox, more like a chipped tooth.
Weighed the rig last week, camper is 14460, about 600 pounds under max. However I'm getting a pin weight of 3288, 700 over Coachmen specs. I find this unbelievable based on the little we carry forward of the axles but the landing gear issues would tend to indicate this is correct maybe?
Dry weight is specified at 12,100 and I estimated we have no more than 1000 in cargo, pretty much the same stuff we had in our Sundance 2800RL and it weighed in at 10200 loaded.
I have never been to end of travel when raising the camper, there has really been no need to get that high to engage the hitch. The legs are marked in red for end of travel on retraction.
Still need to know if I can remove the motor and gearbox without hooking up to the truck.
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I know that when they changed my motor and gear housing last year at the rally they put a jack under the ends, So to me I would say no, unless you put jack stands as they did. Hope that helps.
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07-18-2014, 10:05 AM
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Don't believe you would need to block the frame, but I would put a pair of Vise Grips on each jack shaft to keep it from turning just to be safe before you take the motor off.
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07-18-2014, 10:13 AM
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Wow! That a lot of pin weight!
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07-18-2014, 09:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by f1100turbo
Wow! That a lot of pin weight!
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But not unusual. My Brookstone clocks in at 3,340 lbs. And I am also 1,000 lbs under GVWR for the trailer.
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07-18-2014, 09:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick M
Using only the battery there is not enough current available to get the motor to lift the camper.
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At all?
Or move it past a certain point?
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