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Old 08-28-2014, 03:28 PM   #31
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Well I did talk to leo today.

He told me they allow up to 1/4" of gap between the torsion bracket and the frame bracket.
I'm not sure if that's good news or bad.

Here's the kicker.
He also said the axle shouldn't be bolted to the bottom of the frame bracket or shouldn't be.

I drove over to a forest river dealer at lunch and looked at two used flagstaff ultra light 5er ' s and both were up tight.

So I'm not sure.

I believe he gave me a contact for you guys to call with any questions.

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Old 08-28-2014, 04:09 PM   #32
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Well I did talk to leo today.

He told me they allow up to 1/4" of gap between the torsion bracket and the frame bracket.
I'm not sure if that's good news or bad.

Here's the kicker.
He also said the axle shouldn't be bolted to the bottom of the frame bracket or shouldn't be.

I drove over to a forest river dealer at lunch and looked at two used flagstaff ultra light 5er ' s and both were up tight.

So I'm not sure.

I believe he gave me a contact for you guys to call with any questions.

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I didn't measure the gaps before I closed them up. I think the front curb side looked like about 3/4", now I don't know what to think, bolt it up or not?? Any idea what the factory bolts on those brackets should be torqued at.
1st question, "torque"
2nd question, why would they want the bracket to move.
Maybe OldCoot can chime in with his thoughts on this, maybe he knows the torque specs on the factory bolts
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Old 08-28-2014, 04:57 PM   #33
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Anyone with a 5er that has the torsion axels should crawl under there and have a look at the mounts. If they can't do it someone they trust should, showing them the pictures that are on line. This is one heck of a safety hazard. Not sure if the TT's have this same setup but a look at those wouldn't hurt.
It's not only 5er's, it's anything with torsion axles. I had the same problem with my 08 Flagstaff 831RLSS.
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Old 08-28-2014, 05:37 PM   #34
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I understand tolerances, but I don't understand the concept of allowing mounting brackets to move during use, both axles incurred movement. All 4 brackets were touching the frame at one end, but gapped at the other and it was more than 1/4 inch.
I'm not sure about torflex axles, but It may affect wheel alignment if the gap on the axle brackets were not the same amount on each end of the axle.
They might not want to admit it, but I think they have a design problem. I will keep an eye on my torflex axle mounting and do a better job of documenting it when it reoccurs.
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If the brackets are suppose to move why don't they settle back down on the channel when everything straightens out. I still don't know what the torque should be on the factory bolts or if I should bolt the brackets to the channel.
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Old 08-28-2014, 07:15 PM   #36
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...Here's the kicker.He also said the axle shouldn't be bolted to the bottom of the frame bracket or shouldn't be. TURBS
Would love to have a discussion with Leo on this! PM me his phone no. Please.
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I didn't measure the gaps before I closed them up. I think the front curb side looked like about 3/4", now I don't know what to think, bolt it up or not?? Any idea what the factory bolts on those brackets should be torqued at.
1st question, "torque"
2nd question, why would they want the bracket to move.
Maybe OldCoot can chime in with his thoughts on this, maybe he knows the torque specs on the factory bolts
I want to debate it with "Leo" as I think he and his "experts" are dead wrong. It is a design & practical impossibility to hold torque with bolts in slots. Here is where "Common Sense" is certainly not common.

As for torque, here is a chart. Tighten according to the bolt size and grade of bolt.
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Old 08-28-2014, 07:29 PM   #38
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Well now I'm really confused, like I said I had to take my trailer in today and get two new toppers installed. Had him check he said that "He did not see a problem their is no slot and it's doubled bolted". Also asked If shocks would help me being I have torsion axle's" he said no unless they are spring" Now i'm really confused? Turbo have you heard anything back from Leo yet? The Old Man tells me I need shocks? I also don't still understand the space in between, hate to be stupid but just can't rap my little mind I have left around both problems mentioned. I have never been a wrench type person. Lucky I can get up in the morning,,,
Double nutting doesn't do anything for holding torque on bolts thru slots. I don't care whether you use shocks or not or whether your tech recommends them or not. As far as the trailer, it doesn't know or care what the suspension is as the shocks are only to control the rebound of the suspension regardless of the type.
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I want to debate it with "Leo" as I think he and his "experts" are dead wrong. It is a design & practical impossibility to hold torque with bolts in slots. Here is where "Common Sense" is certainly not common.

As for torque, here is a chart. Tighten according to the bolt size and grade of bolt.
Thank you for the torque doc I too found one on the internet. These bolts and nuts have a fine thread, would that make a difference. Before I broke them loose I was able to move them at about 150 ft Pounds. After moving the brackets back against the channel I torqued the bolts to to 160 '#. I have one of the brackets drilled, three more to go. Looks to me like they should be solid and not able to float, am I wrong?
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They should not float. Thread type should not make any difference to the torque.
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