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Old 03-30-2014, 02:18 PM   #31
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Well said. I was able to get the manufacturer to respond on our last TT. It was 7,000 lb max unit. It came with 2-3,000 lb axles. At 9-AM the dealer called and was flatelly refused upgraded axles. I called at 10-AM the same day not knowing that they had already called. When I spoke to customer service I told them that I was just a consumer but felt that 6,000 lbs axles for a TT rated to carry 7,000 lbs was just a little suspect. He said wait a minute. So I did. Within 30 seconds he came back on and said that they had been discussing this issue that morning and they would ship 2- 3,500 lb axle by the end of the week. I was shocked because the approval came so quickly.

I stopped at the dealer on my way home and when I walked in they treated me like some god. They asked me what I said to them to get them to change their minds. I told them that I asked the guy at customer service why the approval came so quickly. He hesitated for a moment then I said, "Is it because I the consumer realized the issue???" He said YES.

To end the story. We got the axles installed, went on a 1,000 mile trip and on the way home the brand new TT got broadsided by a dump truck in a parking lot. It was totaled. We ordered another one just like it. It also came with 2-3,000 lbs axles even though they said it wouldn't. So they had to re-order the correct axles.

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Old 03-30-2014, 02:19 PM   #32
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I'm with ya there OldCoot. Question is, who pays for all that. Well out of warranty now, but been an ongoing problem since new.
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Old 03-30-2014, 03:30 PM   #33
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All this discussion is a waste of time until the trailer is weighed. If it grossly over-weight the axles will be bowed.

The sway can be mitigated with a simple sway bar between the frame and one spring attach points.
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Old 03-30-2014, 03:41 PM   #34
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I'm with ya there OldCoot. Question is, who pays for all that. Well out of warranty now, but been an ongoing problem since new.
If it were me, I'd spend the 2 hrs and flip the axles, take before and after pictures, take pictures of the tires and just bite the bullet and get the GY Marathons. Save all the receipts and start bugging the hell out of the dealer and FR. Even make the trip to Goshen to the rally and continue the discussion with real people if necessary. Crying over it with the camper sitting does nothing. As the saying goes, "Do something, even if it's wrong." At least with the camper fixed, it can be used. Now it is just an unusable thing on wheels, serving no purpose. JMO
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Old 03-30-2014, 04:34 PM   #35
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if the axles were installed wrong FR should foot the bill for this even if its out of warranty. problem with the tires is grey wolf's come with 14" rims. I upsized my tires to get a little more capacity (had 205/75/14 to 215/75/14). load range d's aren't available for 14" . can you get 15" rims with the same bolt pattern?

I think the op should weigh his trailer. that model grey wolf only has 1001 lbs of ccc best case. I know my grey wolf came 205 lbs heavier then what the specs say on the web. then add propane, batt, TV, maybe slide toppers. not much ccc left. the axles could be overloaded.
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Old 03-30-2014, 04:39 PM   #36
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if the axles were installed wrong FR should foot the bill for this even if its out of warranty. problem with the tires is grey wolf's come with 14" rims. I upsized my tires to get a little more capacity (had 205/75/14 to 215/75/14). load range d's aren't available for 14" . can you get 15" rims with the same bolt pattern?

I think the op should weigh his trailer. that model grey wolf only has 1001 lbs of ccc best case. I know my grey wolf came 205 lbs heavier then what the specs say on the web. then add propane, batt, TV, maybe slide toppers. not much ccc left. the axles could be overloaded.
Don't disagree, but in the meantime, the trailer sits and is totally useless. I'd flip the axles myself. Not a big job. He has probably spent more time writing about it than it would take to flip them.
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Old 03-30-2014, 04:53 PM   #37
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Don't disagree, but in the meantime, the trailer sits and is totally useless. I'd flip the axles myself. Not a big job. He has probably spent more time writing about it than it would take to flip them.
I agree that it is not a big job for those of us mechanically inclined, for others it may be a daunting task best left to the pros.


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Well, unfortunately there isn't much that I can do with it right now since it is at the dealer. I do plan on calling them this week so maybe they will have a method of weighing the thing. As for the orientation of the axles, they were not always bowed down. I guess it is possible that the thing is overloaded but since we never travel with any tank full, I just don't know. We don't have that much in it.

As you say, only real way to know will be to weigh it. I appreciate all the help.
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Look at your axels, are they on top or under the springs?

They are on top of the springs
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We have a 2013 model of this camper, bought new. At about 1500 miles we discovered that all four tires had worn out on the inside tread. We had already noticed that the wheels would angle out or in depending on turning. We took it back to the dealer, who ended up replacing both axles and all four tires under warranty. This was completed in late June of 2013.

Fast forward to now, about 1000 miles later. We find that again all four tires are worn out, in the same way as before. We again notice that the wheels angle in and out while turning, as well as now we have noticed that we have frame damage where the axle u-bolts have hit the frame and bent the I-beam flanges. The tires have rubbed against the the inside of the wheel wells, and the wheels sit cambered out on flat pavement.

Forest River's answer was that we needed radial tires, so has replaced them (note: third set of tires in 1.5 years, second set of axles). No effect on how the wheels sit. My mechanic, and several car nut friends, have all suggested that our axles are insufficient for the weight. The camper weighs 7700 pounds fully loaded (which we haven't done yet) on two 3500 pound axles. We have also noticed that anything larger than a 1/2 ton truck passing us, or a small gust of wind, will make the trailer sway badly. We have to travel at no more than 50-60 mph to be even a little under control. We have an E2 hitch, pretty much the best we could find.

The camper is back in the shop as of today, and since it is out of warranty I expect to not get much help from Forest River. My dealer has been great, but there is only so much they can do.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what we can try?
As long as you have documentation of the problem that should have been taken care of in warranty and they didn't they will have to repair it for free. Just because your warranty is over doesn't mean they can walk away from it.
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