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10-13-2019, 12:51 PM
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axle questions
Hello, I am trying to figure what axles I need for my camper. 2019 puma xle rdc 20. When I got it it had some issues one of them being they took the axles that came on it off and used them on another camper. They just put one on it that is wrong so it could be moved. I am not sure what I need and can not seem to find much info on it. Thx.
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10-13-2019, 01:00 PM
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Ask the dealer to provide the info on the axles they took off if that doesn't work contact palomino or FR with your serial number and year they should be able to give you that information
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10-13-2019, 01:13 PM
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I will probably have to contact FR as I bought it from an individual not a dealer. Was hoping someone knew and I could get something ordered or locally today. Thanks for your reply.
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10-13-2019, 01:14 PM
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Dealers are not in the habit of changing out axles by pulling axles off one unit and putting on another. That is a lot of work and a few things can go 'wrong'. an axle can be ordered and received in 2-3 days.
Did you buy your unit with a 'wrong' 'replacement' axle? Why? I would question everything on this unit and the integrity of the
Dealer.
Everything should be under 'warranty' and put to factory specs by the dealer.
know a lawyer that you can call for advice if needed. Do not tell the dealer that you are talking (if needed) to a lawyer.
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10-13-2019, 01:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mike77
I will probably have to contact FR as I bought it from an individual not a dealer. Was hoping someone knew and I could get something ordered or locally today. Thanks for your reply.
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Note that no Dealer was involved.
Dealer bashing not appropriate in this case.
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10-13-2019, 01:37 PM
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I did not buy it from a dealer. I bought it from a individual. It does have a rebuilt title so warranty is not a option.
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10-13-2019, 02:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mike77
I did not buy it from a dealer. I bought it from a individual. It does have a rebuilt title so warranty is not a option.
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What is a "rebuilt title"?
Only the vehicle manufacturer or a certified modifier have authority to change a vehicle's original federal certification label. Axles for all RV trailers are described on the vehicle certification label as GAWR and give the maximum load they can carry on that vehicle. Therefore, any axle with the ability to carry that GAWR load is acceptable once certified.
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10-13-2019, 02:59 PM
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Airedale I think what mike77 is referring to is a salvage title like when a car has been in a flood or rebuilt after a wreck.
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10-13-2019, 05:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Airdale
What is a "rebuilt title"?
Only the vehicle manufacturer or a certified modifier have authority to change a vehicle's original federal certification label. Axles for all RV trailers are described on the vehicle certification label as GAWR and give the maximum load they can carry on that vehicle. Therefore, any axle with the ability to carry that GAWR load is acceptable once certified.
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Quote:
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Airedale I think what mike77 is referring to is a salvage title like when a car has been in a flood or rebuilt after a wreck.
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The "regulations" only apply to the first sale from a manufacturer. From there on it's "the wild, wild, west" and just about anything goes.
Vehicles are modified all the time and registered for tonnage the original manufacturer never intended. Only time the authorities seem to be concerned is if a VIN# is changed and that merely involves some paperwork and a visual inspection, usually by the State's Highway Patrol or Dept of Licensing.
FWIW, we have people on this forum that are exceeding the "certified weights" on both their TV's and TT's, with or without modification.
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10-13-2019, 06:21 PM
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Yes SeaDog that is what I am referring to. Not at all looking to exceed weight. I am just trying to find a part number or anything that tells me what originally came on it.
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10-13-2019, 08:33 PM
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A leaf sprung axle is a leaf sprung axle. You dont need the exact replacement. All you really need to know is the GAWR off the trailer decal, if it was a drop axle (unlikely) and if both axles had brakes. If you still have the wheels then bolt pattern and stud size would be good. Ive replaced a Dexter axle with a Tractor Supply special on a tandem just to get a friend home. Only reason it was temporary is because it was a 3500 no brakes and he had 4000 w/ brakes.
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10-13-2019, 08:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TitanMike
FWIW, we have people on this forum that are exceeding the "certified weights" on both their TV's and TT's, with or without modification.
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That's a different subject.
The reissue of a title has nothing to do with vehicle modification unless there is a different VIN involved. It would be for the vehicle as sold.
In the definitions section of 49 CFR part 567 there is a list of components that are not considered modifications when they are changed-out.
On the left external side of the OPs trailer, forward of the axles, there is a Vehicle certification label. Any axel he uses must be able to support the load value of the GAWRs load limit on that label. Brand and design of the axles are easily determined by trailer brand, year and model.
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10-14-2019, 07:41 AM
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Thank-you for not jabbing me. Did not realize (ie. read enough) that this unit was basically a salvage camper and what looks to be used for parts by others that were not a dealer and then being 'rebuilt/modified' (?) by the current owner. my bad.
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10-14-2019, 07:57 AM
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Looking at the specs for the 2019 puma xle rdc 20, it appears that is equipped with 3500lb axles from the factory.
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10-14-2019, 08:11 AM
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What is the gross weight of your unit?
Contact your local car hauler/utility/equipment trailer sales places, set yourself up with an axle the is the next step more than your gross suggests.
You will need some information for them to get the axle made, wheel mounting width (face to face), spring pad width (center to center), brake type you desire (drum, disc, surge or electric) and wheel bolt pattern.
You could always do what I have preferred, buy a bare axle and weld your own spring pads on. This isn't building nuclear reactors, its about a simple as it gets. Always over size the axle if you can afford it.
https://www.etrailer.com/dept-pg-Trailer_Axles.aspx
https://www.trailerpartsdepot.com/c-...0-to-5200.aspx
https://thetrailerpartsoutlet.com/tr...-repair-parts/
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10-14-2019, 08:39 AM
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So you just need to weight the TT and put on axles to cover the load??
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10-14-2019, 08:53 AM
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A trailer manufacturer can help you determine what you need to know to get some axles. We don't have trailer man in my town, but we have another place(Ledwell Enterprises) they are a Dexter distributor. Just ask/call around. You may have to call more than one or talk to more than one person to get where you need to be.
I went to Lippert's website a while back to "check on" axle specs.... it is complicated to decide which axle you need. That is where an experienced person can help...IE trailer place.
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10-14-2019, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry0071
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I second this approach. If the OP is confident he has the skills and tools to replace the axle himself that's the most economical approach.
I assume that the existing axle fits and is just undersized. If that's the case I'd put the TT up on jack stands, remove the axle, take pictures, and lots of measurements. Then contact Deter for a recommendation.
Yes, a scale weight is important but make sure the TT is loaded the way it's intended to be used (full water tank, food, clothing, toys, etc.) then add a minimum of 10% for safety margin so Dexter can recommend a proper weight rated axle.
Good chance Dexter knows what axle was originally installed on that trailer given that they are the largest supplier of RV Axles.
One possible ray of sunshine, the hubs and brakes MIGHT fit the replacement axle. Certainly worth researching.
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10-14-2019, 06:35 PM
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Thank you for the responses. I ended up contacting Puma today and got a lippert pn. I am thinking I can get the measurements having the pn I hope. It is a 3500 underslung.
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10-14-2019, 07:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Les
Thank-you for not jabbing me. Did not realize (ie. read enough) that this unit was basically a salvage camper and what looks to be used for parts by others that were not a dealer and then being 'rebuilt/modified' (?) by the current owner. my bad.
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Yes you are right. Nothing was damaged on it just had some stuff missing. Not trying to modify it at all. Just get it rolling so I can take my boys camping, maybe the old lady every other time lol. With what I have replaced and cost for axles I might be in it for 1/8 what of it cost new.
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