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Old 03-25-2016, 12:07 PM   #51
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Yea But, the salesman said I could tow this 35 ft trailer with 3 slides with my 1/2 ton pickup!

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Old 03-25-2016, 12:28 PM   #52
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Yea But, the salesman said I could tow this 35 ft trailer with 3 slides with my 1/2 ton pickup!

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Haaa!, I tow that one with my 1973 Chebby Luv!


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Old 03-25-2016, 12:46 PM   #54
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Even for the ones that say "the salesman said this" my comment above still applies " it is the responsibility of the end user to research and understand". I bought a TT with a low CCC fully understanding I can't carry half my house. If I carry and bunch of stuff and it's overweight that is my fault not anyone else's. I put that stuff in there not and salesman or the engineer. I loaded it up. If I loaded up my stuff and I'm at the limit that is my fault for not buying a bigger more capable unit.

I hate every thread on this forum that blames FR or engineering for them overloading the unit and then it gets damaged. Every thread that states they bent an axle or their frame cracked and the unit is overloaded and they come on here blaming FR saying FR should have put X poundage axles on it, look they do put higher poundage axles on a TT, it's just the next model up that has a bigger capacity and costs more.

I'll step down from my soap box now.
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Even for the ones that say "the salesman said this" my comment above still applies " it is the responsibility of the end user to research and understand". I bought a TT with a low CCC fully understanding I can't carry half my house. If I carry and bunch of stuff and it's overweight that is my fault not anyone else's. I put that stuff in there not and salesman or the engineer. I loaded it up. If I loaded up my stuff and I'm at the limit that is my fault for not buying a bigger more capable unit.

I hate every thread on this forum that blames FR or engineering for them overloading the unit and then it gets damaged. Every thread that states they bent an axle or their frame cracked and the unit is overloaded and they come on here blaming FR saying FR should have put X poundage axles on it, look they do put higher poundage axles on a TT, it's just the next model up that has a bigger capacity and costs more.

I'll step down from my soap box now.


Kinda like this guy who blamed forest river for a bent frame?


And forgot to mention he was using a swivel wheel hauling a golf cart ?
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Exactly, I am in no way affiliated with FR other than I bought an EVO TT from them, but that made me so mad reading that whole ordeal. That's the worst I've seen.

A clear case of improper use, overloading, blatant disregard for established weights and parameters set by FR and he was blaming FR saying he did nothing wrong and didn't mis-use or abuse anything in anyway whatsoever. Once all the pics surfaced that guy bolted in a hurry.

All these people saying the axle broke, sagged, whatever blaming FR and you ask them "what's you weight, have you been to a scale" and they say no, then I say how do you know this is FRs fault, they say it's not overweight FR has an engineering problem. When if they just weighed their set up they'd know they were overweight so the fault falls back on them.

I don't say this to be the "weight
Police" but rather for people to realize the misuse and abuse they are doing and to understand "why" when something breaks or fails.
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Old 03-25-2016, 01:43 PM   #57
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There's also a small "gotcha" that might be overlooked by some.

On my Vengeance 25, the yellow sticker publishes a maximum axle load of 5080. But, look on the axle at it says 5200. The 5,080 figure comes from the load rating of the supplied tires (D load of 2,540 pounds each) x two equals 5,080.

Now, upgrading to the E (2,800+) load tires means that the "real" axle limit of 5,200 "should" be able to used, right? Well one would think so, but FR said the max load was 5,080 on the sticker and if I actually load the axle to 5,200 (unlikely) FR would have a very valid argument if something happens because they told me not to go over 5,080.

Fortunately I'll never have to deal with that situation. With my trailer fully loaded, and I mean full load with Harley, propane, water, and a whole lot of other stuff I probably don't really need, the CAT scale shows a load of 3,350 on one axle and 3,310 on the other. Since I can only load another 2,100 pounds to reach max trailer weight total of 9,800 pounds you can see I would only put about 1,100 (plus or minus) on each axle. That was one of the reasons I chose the Vengeance over the Grey Wolf (same floor plan) because the Vengeance has an additional 1,000 pounds of carrying capacity.
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There's also a small "gotcha" that might be overlooked by some.

Now, upgrading to the E (2,800+) load tires means that the "real" axle limit of 5,200 "should" be able to used, right? Well one would think so, but FR said the max load was 5,080 on the sticker and if I actually load the axle to 5,200 (unlikely) FR would have a very valid argument if something happens because they told me not to go over 5,080.
Very true, because FR said so on the certification label.

GAWR (Gross Axle Weight Rating) - Is the maximum
permissible weight, including cargo, fluids, optional
equipment and accessories that can be safely supported

by a combination of all axles.

That is a verbatim quote from the 2016 FR fifth wheel owner's manual.
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100 percent agree. It is the end user that doesn't buy "enough" trailer. They load it up and then cry that it's FRs fault, buy a bigger trailer for your needs. Don't cry because you didn't research and don't understand the numbers
This will probably cause you to go back on your soap box but it's not meant to. I wish FR offered an option to upgrade to the next size axles and wheels. On some models, moving to a bigger trailer doesn't give you much more CCC. I would happily pay the extra cost of an axle upgrade and bigger tires if they offered that. I'm not overloaded and do use the scales but with just normal camping gear and 30 gallons of water, I'm within 200 lbs of each axle. That's closer than I'd like to be. I'd also pay extra for some extra TLC in the construction process if it would yield better construction and fewer mistakes.
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This will probably cause you to go back on your soap box but it's not meant to. I wish FR offered an option to upgrade to the next size axles and wheels. On some models, moving to a bigger trailer doesn't give you much more CCC. I would happily pay the extra cost of an axle upgrade and bigger tires if they offered that. I'm not overloaded and do use the scales but with just normal camping gear and 30 gallons of water, I'm within 200 lbs of each axle. That's closer than I'd like to be. I'd also pay extra for some extra TLC in the construction process if it would yield better construction and fewer mistakes.


They problem is in most cases they can't "legally" go up an axle weight or tire size.
The unit as a whole is engineered for a specific weight.
Going up in axle size would in effect mean you'd load more weight into the unit and many other areas couldn't "handle" the additional weight or stress.
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